Re: Fw: [L] Murder, she said
>> Egypt and the Hebrews
--- In b_c_n@yahoogroups.com, Polat Kaya
<tntr@C...> wrote:
Dear Alingus;
Your forwarding to
the b_c_n group of Gordon Barlow's writing
regarding the name
"EGYPT" prompted me to write.
Historians tell us
that some ten thousand years ago settlements
started along the
valley of the River Nile where the life giving river
provided a fertile
environment for human settlements that flourished
for a long time. It
is also said that some time in the fourth
millennium B.C.,
some people from Central Asia arrived at the banks
of the River Nile
with their pictorial writing system, and since then
civilization in the
area went from peak to peak. Starting in
the Fourth
Millennium B.C. under the recorded rulers of ancient
Egypt, a
magnificent empire flourished which lasted for 27 centuries.
These ancient
people are portrayed today as the "Egyptians".
The interesting
thing is that those ancient people did not call
themselves
"Egyptians" but rather a name written as "MSR" and
pronounced as MASAR
or MISIR. The point being here that portraying
these ancient
people as "Egyptians" is misleading to say the least.
It is indicated
that the ancient Egyptians were not Indo-European nor
Semitic people and
some say that they came from Central Asia, but
this is where their
true ethnic identification becomes hazy. It is
not that the real
ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians is so difficult
to figure out, and
most likely, at least a small group of people do
know who they really
were. It's just that they would rather be mum
and let the true
identity remain unknown. This is also the case for
the Sumerians, the
Etruscans, the Phoenicians, the Pelasgians, the
Minoans, the
Trojans, etc.. The truth is that all of these ancient
peoples were Turkic
speaking TUR peoples who, with their already
developed
civilization (language, writing, religion, traditions,
statebuilding,
social justice, leadership, laws, mythology, etc.),
migrated from
Central Asia to different geographies all over the
world. The world we
live in today is largely based on the creations
of these ancient
Turkic speaking TUR peoples.
Genesis 11:1 states
that the whole world spoke one language without
specifying what
that one language was. Surely if it was Semitic or
Greek or Latin,
they would have said so very clearly. Yet they did
not say so. On top
of that, their god somehow came into the picture
and told them to go
and confuse that one language that the world
spoke so that they
do not understand each other. If that one
language was their
own language, there would be no need for this
religious order to
confuse it. The meaning of this religious order
then is to divide
and confuse the existing system, i.e., the ancient
Turanian universal
world that spoke a Turkic language, so that they
can be alienated
from one another, played against one another, and
controlled at will.
Why? Because the writers of Genesis thought
that these people
(who spoke one language) were capable of realizing
anything they
thought of. Evidently the Genesis writers were very
envious of them and
had decided to stop them. But how was the
confusing of that
one language done? By way of anagrammatizing!
Evidences back this
up.
The name EGYPT is a
misnomer which is said to have been coined during
the Greek reign of
this ancient MSR. The people who live in Egypt
today call their
country as MASAR or MISIR which is a vowelization of
MSR. Turks also
call this land MISIR. In the Turkish Oguz Kagan Epic,
the name appears as
MASAR (line No. 301).
Western sources state
that the name "Egypt" comes from the word
"Egyptian"
meaning "gypsy". The French version of the name for "gypsy
is
"Egypcyan" which is an anagrammatized version of the Turkish phrase
"yan
gesup" ("yan kesip, "yan kesen") meaning a "pick
pocket". The
etymology of the
name "Egypt" is also explainable with the Turkish
word
"GIPTI" (KIPTI) meaning "gypsy"; and "KIPTICE"
meaning "Coptic
language",
"the Romany language" or "Romany". Another meaning for
"Coptic"
is "Rum" and "Garaci" (Karaçi) in Turkish meaning
"gypsy,
brigand,
highwayman, trickster". Similarly, the ancient name "Greek"
for the Greeks, who
were wanderers also, derives from Turkish
"GARACHI"
which translates into GRAECUS in Latin for Greek. Western
dictionaries define
the term "Greek" as "the language of the Greeks,
primarily of the
classical Greek, meaning something unintelligible
especially as
speech". In this definition what is missing is the fact
that the ancient
"Greek' was unintelligible" because it was
"anagrammatized"
from ancient Turkish. An anagrammatized language is
surely in such a
confused state that it cannot be intelligible anymore
unless one knows
and remembers the meaning of the original Turkic data
base used for the
purpose. That is where the dictionaries come in to
help solve the
puzzle.
The ancient Greeks,
following the military expeditions of Alexander
the Great, had the
opportunity to rule ancient MASAR and the Middle
East. In the period
that they were in power in ancient Turkic
speaking lands,
they changed most everything in Turkic into non-
Turkic sounding
names and words by way of anagrammatizing them which
alienated them from
their original Turkish. Evidently, the Akkadians
had also used the
anagrammatizing technique in developping Akkadian,
a Semitic language,
from Sumerian. Thus, many others have also done
the same.
Hence, it can be
said that the so-called "Indo-European"
and
"Semitic" languages have all been configured from ancient Turkish
language by way of
anagrammatizing the Turkic data base, i.e., the
Turkic words and
phrases. This revelation is contrary to the
teachings of modern
"linguistics" which claims these languages as
independently
developed ancient languages. Such statements are not
believed to reflect
the truth.
Historians naming
the ancient people of Nile valley who gave such
magnificent
civilization to the world as "Egyptians" meaning "Gypsies"
are indeed in error
for the simple fact that the ancient so-called
"Egyptians"
were not "gypsies". A "Gypsy", i.e. a wanderer by way of
the chosen
life-style, is not in a position to build so many stone
monuments and
massive pyramids as the ancient Masarians have done in
their ancient
country. "Gypsies" were not the people of one particular
locality, but
rather, they were the wanderers who had no land of their
own in ancient
times. Thus calling ancient MSR (MASAR) by the name
"EGYPT"
is a misnomer to say the least.
Why did the Greek
rulers change the name of ancient MASAR to "Egypt?
Because the ancient
Greeks were also one of the groups of the
wanderers, as we
pointed out above, contrary to the presented views.
Their name
"Rum/Rom" is an evidence of this fact. What they left
behind as the famed
"Greek civilization" was actually copied from the
Tur peoples that
inhabited the "Mediterranean Sea" ("Mede-Turanian
Su") area,
such as the Pelasgians, Ayhans (Ionians, Yunans) of
ancient Greece,
Asia Minor and Thrace (Tracia in Latin), Etruscans,
Minoans, Masarians,
Phoenicians, Hurrians, the Medes and others.
After Alexander the
Great's conquering expedition in the East, when
they had the
opportunity to invade ancient Masar and rule it for some
time, they also
removed the ancient name MASAR (MSR) and branded it
as
"Egypt", thus making it appear as the land of "Gypsies"
or
"Gypties".
The name "EGYPT",
in one meaning, has a Turkic etymology which
is made up of two
Turkic and/or Sumerian words: "E + GYPT", that is
"Ev-Gipti"
("Gipti evi") in Turkish meaning "The house of Gypsy".
Evidently, this
aspect of the name is designed to usurp the culture
and traditions of
this most ancient and longest living Turkic
state in human
history as if it was a state of the "Gypsies"
(wanderers). In
essence, this was an act of obliterating one of the
most important
parts of the ancient Turkic history. Similarly, many
other aspects of
the ancient Turanian history have been misrepresented
to the world.
But, the Greek
rulers of the ancient MASAR were clever in designing
the name EGYPT.
Because EGYPT also stands for something that the
ancient Masarians
were used to hear. It was the so-called
name
"PTAH", from ancient Turkish phrase "aPa-aTa-AHa" meaning
"Lord
Grand Father"
referring to the Sky-Father-God of the ancient
Turanians. As
described in the western dictionaries, "PTAH" was the
chief God of
ancient Menphis, "MSR" (MASAR) where he was worshipped
as early as the 1st
dynasty. He was regarded as the shaper of the
world and as father
of gods and men.
It is well known
that the rulers of the so-called ancient "Egyptians",
a non-wandering
people, called themselves "GOD", i.e., "PERU" ("PER-
U",
"BIR-O" in Turkish meaning "Only ONE", i.e., the Sky-God).
The
name
"Pharaoah" is a distorted form of this ancient Turkic phrase
"PER-U".
The so-called Pharaoahs were the representatives of the
"Sky-God"
on earth in accordance with the ancient traditions of the
Turanian Turkic
peoples. Surely, with the lifestyles that they had,
no truth searching
historian can call the rulers of this ancient
country as
"Gypsies" and their country as the "house of Gypsies". In
order to provide
for this exalting attribution of the ancient Masarian
Kings, the term
EGYPT has to have another exalting meaning comparable
with its past
glory. Thus the second meaning of the name EGYPT comes
from the old Turkic
encrypted phrase: "E-GY-P-T". With the help of
the missing vowels,
we have: "Ev + GöY + aPa + aTa" meaning "The
House of Sky
Grandfather", that is "The House of PTAH" which becomes
an apporipriate
name for the ancient MASAR. In this
"anagrammatizing",
we have: "E" from Sumerian meaning "house" or "Ev"
from Turkish
meaning "house"; "GY" from Turkish word "GöY"
(gök)
meaning
"sky" and also "blue" which is the color of sky in Eastern
Anatolian Turkish;
and "APA ATA" as described above.
Thus, it is seen
that this ancient Turkic phrase anagrammatised as
"EGYPT"
has the double meanings of both "THE HOUSE OF "SKY-FATHER-
GOD" or
"THE HOUSE OF PTAH" and "THE HOUSE OF GYPSIES". Thus in the
cleverly formulated
name "Egypt" one meaning hides itself behind the
other as needed.
Of course the
ancient TUR Masar was not a "house of Gypsies", although
all kinds of people
including the wandering Gypsies did come in there
on their way to
other places. Surely, coming up with a word
like
"EGYPT" having a double meaning is a cunning way of "plagiarism"
of another group's
culture by way of the simple technique
of
"anagrammatising" the old Turkic names and phrases. It is
interesting to note
that even the English word "plagiarism" is
clearly
anagrammatised from the Turkic phrase: "PILGI ASIRMA" ("bilgi
asirma")
meaning "stealing knowledge". Thus the name remembers in an
encrypted form its
own original meaning in Turkish. In English the
term
"plagiarism" means "stealing of knowledge from others" which
verifies the
original Turkic meaning.
Thus it is clear
that the name "EGYPT" is a concocted name intended to
obliterate the
ancient Turkic name of Masar, that is the name of the
longest living
Turkic state in human history, and assign its
ownership and all
of its glory to the much later gypsies.
Note: even the word
"HISTORY" is anagrammatised from old Turkish
phrase
"TORIH-ISU" ("TARIH ISI"), S=Sh, meaning "the doings of
History", and
alternatively, from the Turkish phrase "TORAH ISI"
("TÖRE
ISI") meaning "the doings of traditions" both of which describe
in Turkish the
meaning of "history".
Finally, I like
point out that if scholars truly want to know the
truth about the
identity of the ancient so-called "Egyptians" and
their language,
they have to bring the Turkish language and the
TUR/TURK peoples
into the picture. They cannot behave as if Turkish
language and
TURS/TURKS never existed before. They have to learn to
live with the fact
that Turs/Turks existed not only in Turan but also
in Masar (MSR),
i.e., the "House of Ancient Sky-God aPa-aTa-AHa,
i.e., Sky-God
PTAH" for thousands of years before they were unfairly
obliterated from
history.
I hope that this
essay sheds some light to the name "EGYPT" as
queried by Gordon
Barlow.
Best regards,
Polat Kaya
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Kimden: Gordon
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Kasim 2002 Pazartesi 21:47
Konu: [L] Murder,
she said >> Egypt and the Hebrews
>In Hebrew, the
word for "liver" is KBD. KBD also means "heavy".
Compare GPT as in
eGyPT and GuPTa (origin of the GyPSies),
Greek HePaT- =
liver, Russian GePaTit/JePaTit = liver
- from Izzy Cohen
Well, I have to
confess some ignorance here, but where better to do it
than among the
tolerant folk on this List, right? I think Izzy may
have stretched too
far in implying that the name of Egypt may be
related to
"heavy". Here is my ignorance: I had thought that the name
of Egypt, Msr, was
a native name from way back. If it isn't, then I
guess it must be
Arabic. I would be grateful for information.
Egypt was - to the
best of my knowledge - the name given to the empire
by the Greeks, and
I think it more likely comes from the name of the
god Hebe/Hepat/etc,
who from Hittite times was a senior god in what is
now the Middle- and
Near-East, in several pronunciations. Indeed, I
would speculate
that it was the dominant god of the original Hebrews,
at least those from
around the major city of Ebla. I see Ebla as
possibly being a
simple variant of Ebuwa - to use the common
place-suffix of the
region at the time: "the city of Hebe". Maybe
not, though. Yes,
there are many other explanations of the origin of
Hebrew, but none of
them unchallengeably plausible.
Gordon Barlow