Re: [htr_ling] diffusion vs genetic relation (Frank Verhoft)

--- In bcn2003-II@yahoogroups.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@C...> wrote:

RE: Mr. Frank Verhoft:


He said:

> It was just a reaction to the theories of Mr Kaya vis-à-vis the so-
> called "Turkicness" of languages as Lydian, Phrygian etc., languages
> spoken 1000+ years before the first Turkic speaking person set foot
> in Anatolia.

POLAT KATA: This is a misrepresentation of Turks and their ancient
history that has been perpetrated by those who have generated
mythology after mythology as their version of ancient history. Those
who do not question written history, as I do, blindly accept all that
is said and are consequently misled or misinformed. Then, they simply
repeat what they accepted as the truth. As far as Anatolia is
concerned, ancestors of Turkish speaking Turs/Turks have been there
much much earlier than the so-called Indo-Europeans. The much later
arriving "Indo-Europeans" altered everything of the ancient Turanian
civilization that flourished in Anatolia and elsewhere - as their
languages encrypted from Turkish indicate. The Turks were in the area
at least with the Sumerians and the Masarians and the Minoans and the
Thracians and the Phrygians and the Lydians and the Troijans (and many
more) as their Turanian cultural and linguistic artifacts testify.
Thus, Turks are not late comers to Anatolia as wrongly and falsely
claimed.

He said:

> If not, then it's up to Mr Kaya, and or Dave, who seems to applaud
> Mr Kaya's very constructive ideas, to indicate where the languages
> mentioned show Turkic features.

POLAT KATA: When a newcoming usurper takes the existing Turkish
language and encrypts it to come up with a broken language for
himself, of course, no features of the Turkish language are left to
refer to. The stealer does not want to keep what he stole in the same
order he took. But one thing is for certain, the usurper left behind
his fingerprints while encrypting Turkish. He also preserved the
original Turkish text that he used for his generated words. And this
is what I have been pointing out in my essays for those who want to
see.

He wrote:
>
> PS
> "I am not a linguist, but"... this is a summary of an introduction i
> read in an essay by Mr Kaya on Turkic influence on American-Indian
> languages... Would you have your hair done by somebody who says "I
> am not a hairdresser, but...", your car mended by somebody who
> introduces himself as "I'm not a car mechanic, but..."?
>

POLAT KATA: Mr. Kaya does not have to be a so-called "linguist" from a
"linguistic" school in order to be able to see a stolen Turkish
language by some ancient, or present, linguists who have conned the
world. Although they have done a well orchestrated con job going back
to ancient times, they fortunately forgot to wipe away their
fingerprints. Somehow, when they stole from the Turkish language by
encrypting its words and phrases to make new languages for themselves,
they probably did not know that the original text was not lost - or,
in their wisdom they thought that it could not be detected anymore.
Even though their camouflage job was very elaborate and effective, Mr.
Kaya's detective work was better. Now Mr. Kaya exposes them to the
discomfort of some "linguists". A dishonest job, whether it is done
by a hairdresser or a mechanic or a "linguist", no matter how well
executed, can be spotted without having been a registered member of
any of these fields.

Unfortunately Mr. Frank Verhoft, instead of choosing the path of
learning, has turned his back to it. When he says that "But probably
i'm blinded again by my ignorance..." he may not be far off from the
truth. He is not doing what a linguist should be doing, but rather he
is searching for "pejoratives" to hit Mr. Kaya with. Such activities
are far below the level of a true linguist's endeavor.

Additionally Mr. Frank Verhoft owes me an apology for his rude remarks
and language that he deliberately demonstrated in one of his earlier
messages. His behaviour vas obnoxious and inexcusable. He should grow
up and learn to speak with gracefulness rather than making himself an
annoyance.

Best wishes to all.

Polat Kaya

October 17, 2003

Kamil KARTAL wrote:
>
> From: "Frank Verhoft" <fa478077@s...>
> Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:59 am
> Subject: Re: [htr_ling] diffusion vs genetic relation
>
>
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
>
> Salam Camilla
>
> <<<Frank, could you specify that, plz?<<<
>
> It was just a reaction to the theories of Mr Kaya vis-à-vis the so-
> called "Turkicness" of languages as Lydian, Phrygian etc., languages
> spoken 1000+ years before the first Turkic speaking person set foot
> in Anatolia.
>
> If not, then it's up to Mr Kaya, and or Dave, who seems to applaud
Mr Kaya's very constructive ideas, to indicate where the languages
> mentioned show Turkic features.
>
> And, of course... talking about 1000+, just one small example. If
> you compare the ENGLISH rendition AlexanDER of the GREEK/MACEDONIAN
> name AlexanDROS with Turkic -TUR, then i think something
> fundamental is wrong, no? But probably i'm blinded again by my
> ignorance...
>
> Frank
>
>
> PS
> "I am not a linguist, but"... this is a summary of an introduction i
> read in an essay by Mr Kaya on Turkic influence on American-Indian
> languages... Would you have your hair done by somebody who says "I
> am not a hairdresser, but...", your car mended by somebody who
> introduces himself as "I'm not a car mechanic, but..."?
>