Re: [bcn2004] Hitit ve Hatti Gök-Tanri OGUZ Töresi

Erhan Berber Bey,

Merhaba. [bcn2004] "Hitit Yazim Geleneginde Hatti Sozcukler Listesi"
baslikli (Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:53:49 -0400) Hattilerle ilgili
iletinde ilginç bilgiler vardi. Ben simdilik bir paragraf üzerinde
durmak istedim. Dr. Oguz Soysal'in hatti dili ile ilgili calismasi
ile ilgili verilen yazida Ingilizce olarak söyle denmis ve ben de
arkadaslarin izni ile görüslerimi Ingilizce olarak verecegim:

> Hatti people had also developed a cult of animal-shaped gods. they
> had used the symbol of bull in many places. at times bull appears on
> disks representing sky and the sun. scholars think that bull may
> have been the symbol of the greatest god of sky.

Of course Oguz was the greatest god ever. and his animal symbol was OX
(OKUZ, BULL, BOGA) througout the ancient Tur/Turk world. That ancient
world had the universal Turkish OGUZ religion. I believe some
scholars know the truth about it, but they will not admit it. That
would be tantamount to writing the ancient history again. The
archeologists finding the bull (OGUZ/OKUZ) symbol every where is quite
natural becausethe OGUZ religion of ancient Turanians was the
universal sky-god religion. That is why the bull symbol of Hatti
people, representing, sun, moon and the sky-god, is nothing but the
symbol of Oguz-Han (Lord Oguz), that is, the Sun-God, Moon-God and
the Sky-Father-God of the ancient Turanians. I have been writing
about OGUZ in many of my writings in this forum. Bull was the symbol
of god for all Turkish peoples of the ancient world. That Turkish
world includes the Sumerians, Masarians, Phoenicians, Cananaites.
Cartagenians, Palestinians, Hurrians, Mitannians, Medes, Turukkus,
Urartus, Kassites, the Minoans of Crete, of course the native
Anatolians, Etruscans and Pelasgians. The "pagan" Romans also
warshiped OGUZ.

All Roman emperors had the sky-name (gognomen, gög nami) of "augustus"
meaning "holy, divine, consecrated, and majestic." These are
adjectives that define "Oguz Ata", that is, the name of the ancient
Turanian sky-god.

The name "AUGUSTUS", when decrypted letter-by-letter as "UGUS AT US",
is an anagram of the Turkish expression "OGUZ ATA US" meaning "wise
father OGUZ". The Roman emperors by taking such a name as their
"surname", they elevated themselves to the level of god, that is, they
declared themselves as divine. Similarly all Greek king names were
also all anagrammatized from Turkish expressions also making them
divine. Since the ancient world was the following ONE Sky-God OGUZ
religion, it was also natural for them all to speak one OGUZ language
(TURKISH) before that language was confused by the Semitics, Greeks
and Latins. That is why GENESIS 11 speaks of the whole world speaking
one language. That is why we are able to find many words belonging to
the so-called Indo-European and Semitic languages as anagrams of the
words and phrases of Turkish language. These facts have been
suppressed by the writers of ancient world history. The ancient
propagandists in establishing new religions, such as
Judeo-Christianity, and in trying to get rid of the ancient Turkish
religion and the Turkic names describing the Turanian Oguz religion
and its gods used belittling and demonizing language against them.
With such a tactic they forced the ancient Tur/Turk peoples to forget
the name Oguz, Gök-Ata-Tanri, Tanri, Tengir, Dingir, Utu, and others.
the Turkic god had many names to this day. The Hatti findings
described below is another verification of the ancient Turkish sky-god
Oguz religion.

In Oguz-Kagan epic (on line 2 of the epic writing) [1], there is the
symbol of a "wild bull". This symbol represents the name Oguz rhyming
with the Turkish word "okuz" for "ox and bull".

In the name Oguz reference is also made to Turkish words: "O-GOZ"
("that eye" referring to "sun" and "moon" and the human "eyes"),
"AGUZ" (meaning "mouth" referring to "life", "human language" and
human being), "AG-UZ" ("ag-yüz" meaning "white face" referring to "sun
disk", "moon-disk" and "human face"), all embedded in one word through
the fantastic ability of Turkish language.

Another name for the ancient Turanian SKY-GOD was "TUR" which
represented not only the ethnic name of Tur/Turk peoples but also the
Turkish expressions: "ATA-U-ER" meaning "he is father man" referring
to ancient turanian "sky-father-god", and "UT-U-ER" meaning "fire is
that man" referring to the "SUN-GOD UTU". Moon was part of the ancient
Turanian trinity sky-god concept and it was referred to by a number of
names such as TUR-AY meaning "God Moon or Moon God" and "TUR-ÖY"
meaning "Tur House" or "the temple".

The name "TUROY" which was not only the name of the ancient city of
"Troy" the head city of Trojans (with C/J translation this name is
from Turkish expression "Tur Canlar", that is, Tur/Turk people), but
also it meant the ancient Turkish word TURUY [2] (mesken, durulacak
yer, Tur evi, Tanri evi, tapinak) meaning "temple" referring to the

In the Turkish name "TUR" is also embedded the expression "UT-U-ER"
("Okuz o Er", "O boga", "ut-u" (okuz o) in Turkish) meaning "It is
male cattle, that is, "it is bull" or "it is ox"". This comes from
ancient Turkish word "UT" meaning "okuz" [3]. This ancient Turkish
word "UT" is also the "OD, OT, ATES" meaning fire. The so-called
Greek word "tauros" meaning "bull" is an anagram of Turkish "UT AR OS"
meaning "bull man oguz" or "UTU ER OGUZ)" meaning "Sun-God is OGUZ".
The Turkish words AS, OS (OZ), US, GUZ all stand for the name OGUZ.
It should be noted that the names "OS MAN", "OSMAN", "OTHMAN" AND
"OGUZMAN" indicate the ethnic Oguz peoples since ancient times. It
should also be noted that "bull" is a "father" figure.

The ancient Tur Masarians (Misir, also so-called "Egypt" peoples)
Moon-Goddess by the name "ISIS" voiced as "AYSIZ" which is from the
Turkish word "AY" as the name of "moon". Her hieroglyphic symbol was
a "throne" (chaire, that is an "OTUR ÖY"or "TURUY" or "DUR ÖY" meaning
"place to sit, stand or stop". Goddess ISIS was regarded as sister and
wife of OSIRIS. The names ISIS and OSIRIS are the Hellenized versions
of Turkish AY (moon) and "AS ER" (Peerless Man), "OS ER" (Oguz man)
and "US ER" (Wise Man) all referring to the Sky-Father-God OGUZ of
ancient Turanians. The Hellenized versions made these names
unrecognizable as Turkish. Masarian goddess so-called HATHOR had the
crown of a pair of "Bull horns embracing the Sun disk". In essence,
the "pair of horns" represented the "crescent moon. "The crescent
moon and the sun" emblems still adorn the flags of many of the Turkish
states throughout the ancient world.


[1] Resit Rahmeti Arat, "MAKALELER" prepared by Osman Fikri Sertkaya,
Ankara, 1987, p. 613 ,

[2] Hüseyin Namik Orkun, "Eski Türk Yazitlari, Türk Dil Kurumu
Yayinlari: 529, Ankara, 1987, p. 870.

[3] Hüseyin Namik Orkun, ayni eser, p. 877

With best wishes to all,

Polat Kaya



Erhan Berber wrote:
> Asagidaki haber Dr. Oguz Soysal tarafindan bir Hatti dili kitabi
> olusturuldugunu bildiriyor. Ankara Universitesi Dil ve Tarih
> Cografya Fakultesi mezunu sayin Soysal su anda Sikago
> Universitesinde ogretim gorevlisi. "Hitit Yazim Geleneginde Hatti
> Sozcukler Listesi" seklinde Turkcelestirilebilecek kitabini Almanca
> olarak kaleme almis. Calismasini henuz gormus ya da neden kitabini
> Almanca bastirmis oldugunu kendi kendime aciklayabilmis degilim.
> Ozellikle basvuru kaynagi, ya da konusunda temel olma sansi olan
> materyellerin -yaraticilari Turkceyi ana dil olarak benimsiyorlarsa-
> Turkce yayinlamamalarini Turkce'nin bir bilim dili olarak yerlesmesi
> amacinda kacirilmis firsatlar olarak goruyorum. Sevgiyle,
> Erhan
> The Anatolia News Agency reports that Dr. Oguz Soysal, a Turkish
> scholar has succeeded in preparing a dictionary of the Hatti
> language. The Hatti language is the oldest recorded language of
> Anatolia, modern-day Asian part of Turkey.
> Dr. Soysal's work is considered very important since it is the first
> experiment of gathering phonology, grammar and dictionary of a dead
> language all at once.
> According to Dr. Soysal the Hattis constituted the oldest culture
> and nation documented with written texts in Anatolia.
> "The Hattis had been forced to live as a minority under the rule of
> the Hittites in the course of time. Unfortunately, not a single
> written text of the Hattis had directly reached our time.
> "However, since the Hittites had used the Hatti language in their
> temples as a sacred language, some paragraphs written in Hatti
> language were found in clay tablets of hieroglyph in Bogazkoy and
> Ortakoy Hittite epigraphic finds. There are nearly 500 paragraphs.
> They are the only source of the Hatti language.
> "I have spent a quite long time and great efforts to prepare the
> dictionary of the Hatti language. The book, which has come into
> being after seven years of intense work, includes the whole
> bibliography about the Hatti language and all information about this
> dead language in Hittite tablets."
> Dr. Soysal says that the Hatti language was an isolate, that is, it
> did not belong to any known language group. He says that its
> structure resembles theat of the languages of the Caucasus.
> Dr. Soysal published his 1050-page book "List of Words of Hatti
> Language in Hittite Tradition of Writing" in German in the
> Netherlands.
> There are limited information about the Hattis who had formed a
> great civilization in Anatolia between 2500 and 1700 BC
> The Hattis were considered the aborigines of Anatolia, however, some
> scientists think that the Hattis were members of a Caucasian group
> that have migrated to Anatolia.
> The Hittites, who came to Anatolia around 1800 B.C. and conquered
> it, had assimilated the Hattis. The Hittite culture absorbed many
> elements of the Hattian culture.
> Scholarly works revealed that the Hattis inspired the Hittites in
> civilization, religion and mythology. Although they had defined
> themselves with a different name, the Hittites called their country
> as "the land of Hatti". They said in their religious tablets that
> their religious men had been speaking the Hatti language. Also, most
> of the personal names in the Hittite language came from the Hatti.
> The most important finds of the Hattian culture were unearthed in
> Alacahoyuk, in Central Turkey.
> During the archaeological excavations in Alacahoyuk sun disks, small
> sculptures, golden cups and many other works were unearthed. These
> works are being currently displayed at the Turkish capital Ankara's
> Museum of Anatolian Civilizations. The excavations at the site were
> started in 1935 under the auspices of Mr. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the
> founder of the modern Republic of Turkey.
> The Hattis' buried their dead in the hocker position -- sitting
> upright with the knees tucked up against the chest and the feet
> parallel with the floor as if seated on their posterior. Artifacts
> recovered from ancient settlements and burial sites also reveal the
> existence of cults of soil and resurrection, namely the cult of
> mother goddess.
> For example, in excavations in Horoztepe in North Central Turkish
> province of Tokat, archeologists found images of mother goddess and
> ritual bells. However, most of these finds were smuggled out of
> Turkey.
> One can see decorative and ornamental figures of Hattis in many
> places in Anatolia. This shows how the Hattis had spread and gained
> importance in the region.
> Hatti people had also developed a cult of animal-shaped gods. They
> had used the symbol of bull in many places. At times bull appears on
> disks representing sky and the sun. Scholars think that bull may
> have been the symbol of the greatest god of sky.
> Dr. Oguz Soysal, who graduated from the Ankara University Faculty of
> Language, History and Geography in 1982 with a degree of Hittite
> Language, has lectured in the University of New York as a guest
> professor in 1994 after earning his doctorate in Germany.
> He has been working at the University of Chicago since 1995. He has
> been continuing his work on the Hittite Dictionary Project.
> See more about Dr. Soysal at: