[hrl_2] Fw: [akandabaratam] Is Sumerian Archaic Dravidian/Tamil ?

Dear readers,

This is in response to Clide Winters's question given below in which
he said:

> > Hi
> > This theory sounds interesting but, if Turanian was
> > the ancestor of Elamite , Dravidian and Sumerian why
> > don't we see Turkish written in cuneiform, or any
> > other ancient language. Both Sumerian and Elamite are
> > written in cuneiform and Tamil are written in the
> > Indus Valley writing, but we find no ancient evidence
> > of the Turk.
> > Clyde

Dear friend. Turkish has been written in cuneiform writing but without
being identified as such. Let me demonstrate.

The Sumerian form of the name GILGAMESH is given as BILGAMESH written
in cuneiform. The interesting thing is that the name BILGAMESH is a
Turkish word written in the cuneiform writing system. In spite of the
fact that GILGAMESH is the distorted and "Semitized" form of the word
BILGAMESH, both of these words are still Turkish and mean the same

The Sumerian name BILGAMESH is made up of three parts as follows:
"BIL-GA-MESH". The first part is the "root" of the Turkish verb
"BILMEK" meaning "to learn" and "to know". From this comes the Turkish
word BILGI meaning: knowledge; learning; science, branch of science;
information; archaic diviner, seer".[1]

The second part of the word, namely "-GA" infix is a Turkish suffix
that, when attached to the root of the verb, makes an adjective out of
the root. So Turkish BILGE means "learned". Thus when we say "BILGE
KISI" in Turkish it means "learned person" or "wise person". In the
Epic story of BILGAMESH (GILGAMESH), the character "Bilgamesh" is such
a "learned" person.

The third part of the name, namely suffix "-MESH" is another Turkish
suffix added to the name. Thus the name "BILGAMESH" (bilge olmush,
ermish) means "he has matured with knowledge" or "he has become a
seer, a sage, a wiseman". Turkish is an "agglutinative" language using
many suffixes - just like the Sumerian language did.

As is seen from this, Turkish has been written in cuneiform, but those
who abducted the ancient Turkish language and confused the ancient
world were not ready to admit that what they were reading was also
Turkish - because their goal was to bury the Turanian name Tur/Turk.
Thus, in the hands of some not-so-friendly readers of ancient texts,
the Turkish word "BILGAMESH" magically became "GILGAMESH" by simple
alteration. But we must also note here that even the altered name
GILGAMESH is a Turkish word although it appears to look non-Turkish at
first sight.

The origin of the name GILGAMESH is the Turkish expression
"AGILGAMESH" where the root word "AGIL" (AKIL) is again another word
in Turkish meaning "mind, comprehension, reason, wisdom, intelligence,
maturity with all kinds of knowledge, and other human qualities
related to mind and reason". Thus, the name GILGAMESH, where the
original first vowel "A" has been intentionally dropped, is totally
equivalent to Turkish "BILGAMESH" and signifies a person who is loaded
and matured with reason and knowledge of all kinds. Hence he has
become a "godly" person. "GILGAMESH" (BILGAMESH) is such a person in
the Sumerian Epic story. Thus even this Turkish word was written in
cuneiform writings although linguists falsely think that it is a
Semitic word.

The Sumerian epic story BILGAMESH is a riddle story in which many
characters are personifications. Here I will reveal, probably for the
first time, that in the Sumerian Epic story, the name "BILGAMESH"
(GILGAMESH) is a personification of HUMAN MIND AND KNOWLEDGE.
"ENKIDU", who became the lifelong friend of BILGAMESH in the story,
was the personification of MAN. MAN was roaming with the animals
before he developed his superiority over them. The name ENKIDU is a
word made up from Turkish 'HAN KaIaDU" meaning "he is the lord of the
earth" which is "man". "MAN" and his "knowledge" are lifelong friends
and are not separable from each other unless "knowledge is forgotten.
If present humans are achieving so much in technology it is because of
the accumulated knowledge since ancient times. Evidently the ancient
Turanian Tur/Turk peoples knew this fact and they immortalized it in
the epic story of BILGAMESH (AGILGAMESH, GILGAMESH) which is probably
the most ancient epic story.

Thus the name GILGAMESH is actually a stolen and altered Turkish word.
Most linguists would not know Turkish and therefore would not know
that BILGAMESH and GILGAMESH are Turkish. Those who know it as Turkish
are not inclined to admit it. Admitting that the name BILGAMESH or
GILGAMESH is Turkish would upset all of the written "stories" about
the ancient world and would bring the name "TUR/TURK" into daylight
once again as the primary contributor to the civilization of the
ancient world. Obviously that is not wanted by some. The people of the
world have been deceived by a few cultists who have managed to turn
the world upside down.

There is also the Turkish word "TENGIR" having other forms such as
TENGRI, TANGRI, TANGARA and TANRI all meaning "GOD. It also comes in
the form of "DINGIR" which is the Sumerian word for GOD. They all have
embedded in them the Turkish expression "GUNTIR" or "GENTIR" (GUNTUR)
meaning "it is Sun" or "It is Sun-God". Additionally, they have
embedded in them the Turkish expression CANDIR meaning "It is Man" or
"It is Life".

Thus you see my friend, Turkish is written in cuneiform, but somehow
it is obliterated and attributed only to Sumerians who were actually
another Turanian Tur/Turk group but are currently regarded as extinct.
Curiously, a lot of games on words have been played to make Sumerians
appear as extinct people and not Turks. The reality is that Sumerians
are not extinct as they would like us to believe. Sumerians are alive
and well as present day Tur/Turk peoples contrary to all kinds of
disinformation distributed under the guise of "scientific" or
"scholarly" information. Sumerians were Tur/Turk peoples at their time
and they are still Tur/Turks people presently.

There is another ancient name very much like the name BILGAMESH. Here
I will also reveal, again for the first time, that the so-called
"Greek" name of "HERACLES" is one which is parallel to BILGAMESH
(GILGAMESH). This name is given in two versions in the Greek
dictionary: a) HRAKLES, and b) HRAKLEOUS [2]. The world famed name
"HRAKLES" or "HRAKLEOUS" (HERCULES) is actually a restuctured and
disguised Turkish expression.

Let us start with the Greek name "HRAKLES", where the Greek bogus
letter "H" is actually an "I". When it is rearranged letter-by-letter
as "ER-AKLI-S" and read phonetically as in Turkish, we immediately see
that it is the restructured and disguised (i.e., Hellenized) form of
the Turkish expression "ER AKLI" meaning "man's mind".

Additionally embedded in "HRAKLES" is the Turkish phrase "AS-ER-AKLI"
meaning "mind of peerless man" or "superior mind". Both of these
Turkish meanings fit perfectly with the accomplishments or feats of

Thus "HRAKLES", like BILGAMESH, is the personification of "HUMAN MIND"
or "KNOWLEDGE" rather than a real person. The human head, mind and
wisdom again have been immortalized in the form of a hero that is
capable of finding solutions to impossible-looking problems. He solves
them with ingenuity and at the end he always becomes successful in all
the tasks given to him. The human mind is such an entity which enables
man to solve all kinds of everyday problems.

The Turkish expression "ER AKLI" or "AS ER AKLI", distorted and
restructured into Greek "HRAKLES", represents that reality. Thus it
is clear that the origin of the name HRAKLES is unquestionably Turkish
rather than Greek. It is very likely that even the stories of the
tasks that HRAKLEOUS was asked to solve were Turanian in origin.

Now let us look at the Greek name "HRAKLEOUS" where the Greek letter
symbol "H" is actually an "I". When HRAKLEOUS is rearranged
letter-by-letter as "OUS-ER-AKLI", it is a distortion of the Turkish
expression "OGUZ ER AKLI" meaning "Oguz-man mind" or "mind of Oguz
man" referring to the OGUZ (TUR/TURK) people and their accumulated

These revelations indicate that the names HRAKLES and HRAKLEOUS were
abducted from Turkish and in the process, names such as Oguz or Tur or
Turk or Turkish were intentionally obliterated. In plain language, it
was stolen from the Tur/Turk peoples.

Of course the distorted name "HRAKLES" or "HRAKLEOUS" is written in
all kinds of writings - without ever mentioning that its source is
Turkish. This is an intentional act of "obliteration" of the ancient
Turanian civilization and the name Tur/Turk.

It must be noted that BILGAMESH (GILGAMESH) and "ER AKLI" (HRAKLES)
are parallel names both immortalizing the "human mind" in
personifications and they are not real persons. But both of them are
Turkish in origin.

The following excerpt written by Sir E. A. Wallis Budge is very
relevant to the question being asked. Wallis Budge was one of the
pioneers who wrote books about the ancient Egyptian language. He is
well famed for his "An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary". Regarding
the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic writing system, he wrote: [3]


This cited statement is extremely important. First of all, Sir Wallis
Budge uses the phrase "certain invaders who came from North-East or
Central Asia more than seven thousand years ago." The meaning of this
phrase is quite clear:

a) "He knew the identity of those "invaders" who came from north-east
or Central Asia, but he did not reveal their identity for some
reason". Hence, these Central Asiatic first settlers of ancient
so-called "EGYPT" have remained nameles to this day. If they were any
group other than Tur/Turk peoples, they would have been clearly
identified with gratuitous praising pronouncements.

Although, Sir Wallis Budge does not indicate the ethnic identity of
those "certain invaders who came from north-east or Central Asia", it
is rather obvious that they were the ancient Turanian Tur/Turk peoples
of Central Asia who came to North Africa some 7000 years ago and
developed a fantastic civilization along the Nile River. Their
Turanian and Tur/Turk identity is evidenced and verified by the king
names of ancient "Egypt" as indicated by himself in his book entitled
the "Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary". [4] Those king names are
Turanian and are in Tur/Turk language. Additionally, the term
"invaders" used here by Sir Wallis Budge appears to be superfluous for
that period of human history.

Despite all this, this very ancient Turanian Tur/Turk civilization has
been stolen and attributed to "gypsies" by assigning the false name of
"EGYPT" to this ancient land of Masarians. The name MASAR was one name
of the ancient Turanian SKY-God. This name when read as "MA AS AR"
(MA AS ER), means "Magnificient One" or "Peerless Man" in Turkish
which refers to the ancient Turanian Sky-God. The name "AS ER", in
the forms of ASER, USER, OSER, OSIR appears in many king titles of
ancient Masars. They were all part and parcel of the ancient syllabic
language of Turkish.

Greek and Semite priests were in ancient Masar (Misir) by the
thousands. They were not there to teach religion to the native Tur
Masarians who practiced the most advanced Sky-God religion, but,
rather, were there with intentions to learn everything about the
ancient Sky God religion and culture as practiced in MASAR, and also
to cause the disintegration of this most ancient Turanian civilization
from within when the proper time came. They acted the way
"missionaries" act under the guise of religion, that is, having the
sinister aim of altering the native religion, language, culture and
identity of peoples wherever they go. With such ill intentions, a most
crafty thievery of people and their civilization has been inflicted on
native peoples everywhere by the so-called "men of religion". The
cultures and traditions of the trusting native peoples have been
altered, destroyed and obliterated by way of deception and brute
force. The result has been deceptive history writing related to
them and altering their names, religion and language with endless
pretenses. Turanian Tur/Turk peoples have been the target of such
activity at all times.

The ancient Greek names for Turanian peoples such as "THORICO, THORIC,
THRACIA, THRIA, TURCO are forms of the names of TURK and TUR peoples
appearing in history. The present central European peoples such as
those of old Yugoslavia call Turks by the name TURSKA which is also
the name of ETRUSKS in ancient ITALY. The name TROY is nothing but the
distorted Turkish name "TUR ÖY" meaning "house of Turs". The
so-called "Latin alphabet" is actually the Etruscan alphabet and the
so-called "Roman numerals" were the ancient Etruscan numerals -
contrary to false disinformation.

Thus changing names is an easy way of altering history. The
dictionaries of the European languages are filled with words that have
been manufactured from Turkish texts by way of breaking and
rearranging. These are very subtle but deliberate ways of obliteration
of the name of Tur, Turk, Ogus and Turan by some not-so-friendly and
exploitative minded "religious" groups. They have preferred to live on
the shoulders of others. Their endless disinformation has achieved
fantastic results for them.

To start writing a language in any writing system such as hieroglyphs
or cuneiform writing requires that that language be an agglutinative
language to start with. Such a language is most conducive for
converting into a written format. Ancient Sumerian was a Turanian
language and was written in cuneiform writing system. Similarly the
ancient Turanian Masar (Misir) people had an agglutinative language
that was written in hierogliphics. If anyone is wondering about the
identity of the Turanian name "MASAR", he/she will find this name
embedded in names such as MASORA, MASORAH, MASORETH which are very
intimately related to the so-called early "HEBREW MASORET SCRIPTURES".
So Judeo-Christianity owes a lot to those so-called "pagan" Masarians
who were really Turanians. The name HEBREW is the anagrammatized
ancient Turkish expression "AHA BIR O" (AGA BIR O) literally meaning
"Lord ONE-He" or "Lord ONE That" referring to the ancient Turanian
Sky-God. Ancient Hebrews were not Jews, they were Caananites and
Palestinians akin to the Turanian Masarians. This name HEBREW is now
identified with the Jews just like the ancient Masar name is
identified with the Gypsies. So the ancient world has been thoroughly
confused, altered and obliterated for the benefit of some people.

b) Additionally, this excerpt from Sir E. A. Wallis Budge indicates
that these ancient Central Asians, that is, TURANIAN Tur/Turk peoples,
before coming to the ancient so-called "Egypt", had a language that
was developed to such a degree that they could invent a writing system
for it in Central Asia. Inventing a writing system is possible only if
the original language was a phonetic, syllabic and "agglutinative"
language which the ancient Turkish language was with so many Turkish
suffixes being fully developed. The above mentioned suffixes -GA and
-MESH in the name BILGAMESH (GILGAMESH) are evidence to this fact.
This is how advanced the Turkish language was some seven thousand
years ago in TURAN which has been conveniently obliterated and
replaced by the term "Central Asia".

And at that time there was no Greek or Latin or Semitic or
Indo-European languages. They had not started to anagrammatize the
Turkish language yet, hence the world was still talking in one
language (see GENESIS: 11.1). Those Central Asians (TURANIANS), from
some seven thousand years ago, were speaking the language which was
the dominant universal language of that time. This was so because the
world was following a very natural but very ancient universal Sky-God
OGUZ religion which regarded the SUN as the source and the provider of
all things on earth after the Sky-Father-God who created the universe.
The intricacies of this religion were expressed with the OGUZ
language, that is, Turkish to its followers. That very ancient Sky-God
OGUZ religion was destroyed by the later religions and its language
Turkish was confused with all kinds of deceptions.

c) The name TUAREG or BERBER is one of the remnants of the ancient
MASAR people. The following definitions enlighten us with great

TUAREG: [from TOUAREG, Berber pronounciation of Arabic TAWARIQ, plural
of TÄRIQ.] One of the dominant nomads of the central and western
Sahara who have preserved their HAMITIC speech in great purity but are
of the Moslem faith." [5]

Referring to them as "Hamitic and Moslem" are intentional
embellishments used to cover up their real Turkic and Turanian and
MASAR identity. The name "Hamitic" is the Semitic invention for
ancient Masar (Misir) peoples. Tuaregs together with Turkish
"SARACENS" (Saricanlar) and all other Turkic peoples of the Middle
East established the famed MOOR Empire of Spain. Their world famed
mosque ELHAMBRA (from "EL-HAM-BR-A") is nothing but the Turkish
expression "AL AHAM BIR O" meaning "My Red Lord is ONE" referring to
both the ancient Turanian Sky-Father-God and the Sun-God. However the
name has been Semitized with "EL" (which refers to Turkish "YEL"
meaning "wind") the Semitic God with a Turkish name. The name "TUAT"
which is the name of one of their cities, is a very old name in
ancient MISIR (MASAR) referring to "UTU-ATA", that is, the Sun-God and
the Sun-God worshiping Turanian ancestors, and also the cemetery where
the ancient "Tur-Fathers" of Masar (UTU-ATAlar, ecdat) are buried.[6]
Regarding Tuaregs and Moor the following excerpt is also enlightening:

"MOOR: "[French. More, Maure, Latin. Maurus, Greek. Mauros.] 1. A
native of Morocco, or North African states. 2. A Moslem of one of the
native North African races or of the Arabs settled in North Africa;
especially, one of the SARACENIC invaders of Spain or their
descendents." [7]

This again identifies unquestionably their Turkish identity. This
empire of Turs/Turks which had a life span of 700 years and influenced
the European civilization in all fields is not referred to as a
Turkish Empire but rather arbitrarily assigned to "ARABS" although in
a very vague manner. This shows how "lop-sided" western history
writing has been about the Tur people of Turan.

Encyclopaedia Britannica gives the following information: [8]

"TUAREG also TAWAREK (singular "TARQI"), the name given by Arabs to
the western and central Saharan Berber peoples in the desert from TUAT
to TIMBUKTU and from FEZZAN to ZINDER, an area of 1,500,000 sq. miles.
The Tuareg resort to the centres from which the trade routes radiate,
Timbuktu, Ghat, Ghadames, Murzuk and Tuat. Their general colour is
reddish yellow. Their hair is long, black and silky, beards black and
thin, eyes generally black; noses small, hands delicate, and bodies
muscular. They are tall and graceful. The aristocratic section is
called TMAJAGH; Arabs call them MULETH THEMIN (veiled people). The men
wear the veil day and night, the women never. The Tuareg, at any
rate, the noble class, are among the purest of the Berber stocks but
have become largely Arabized. The script, known as T'FINAGH, consists
of 40 to 50 symbols. They dress generally in a black tunic (some wear
white) , trousers of white cotton , and wear a cloth called LITHAM or
TAGILMUS, the end of which is drawn over the face leaving visible only
the eyes and the tip of the nose. These clothes are dark blue or
white. To this difference of colour is due the terms "black" and
"white" Tuaregs."

The name "TARQI" is nothing but another form of the Turkish word
"TURKI" meaning "Turk peoples". Although they are far away from Turan
of Central Asia, they still retain their Turkic identity. The very
fact that the above excerpt states " have become largely Arabized "
indicates that they were not "Arabs" originally.

The name TUAREG, from "TURG-AE", is a restructured form of the Turkish
expression "TURG OY" (TÜRK ÖY) meaning "House of Turk". Similarly the
Arabic name TAWAREK is also related to the name TURK.

The name TAWAREK, where the bogus letter W is UU or VV or YY or any
combination of them, can be written as "TAUYAREK. This name when
decrypted letter by letter as "TURKAY-EA", and read phonetically as in
Turkish is the restructured form of the Turkish expression
"TURKAY-ÖYÜ" meaning "Home of Turkish Moon". This is verified by the
fact that most North African nations have the "Crescent Moon and Sun"
symbols on them. This insignia is not due to "ISLAM" but rather to the
Turanian origin of the religious concept and the symbol which goes
back to at least Sumerian times and beyond.

The statement that: "They dress generally in a black tunic (some wear
white), trousers of white cotton; ... their clothes are dark blue or
white. To this difference of colour is due the terms "black" and
"white" Tuaregs." [9]

This is also enlightening because "White Tuaregs" (Turkish "AK-TURKS",
"AK HANS"), and "Black Tuaregs" (Turkish "KARA TURKS", "KARA HANS") is
very much in line with the Turkish vocabulary. It is also most
interesting to find rock paintings of humans in white pants, arm and
body fittings, and white head dresses some of which are Turkish
conical head dress. These paintings are said to be between 10,000 to
4,000 B.C. [10] years old and found in the central Saharan Desert
(Fezzan and Tassili). The name TASSILI sounds very much like the
Turkish "TAShILI" meaning "stone country" or "ATAShILI" meaning
"country of fire". The central Sahara fits both of these Turkic
descriptions quite well. Of course we must also remember that the
present Saharan desert, before it became a barren desert, was lush
green lands with energetically running rivers, green meadows and
tree'd mountains. Evidently the Central Asians also migrated into
these lands long ago.

A human figure (Figure 146) having a "bull head" with horns embracing
a "blackened disk" (sun disk) is also shown which represents the
Sky-God OGUZ concept of ancient Turanians. [11]

Another interesting rock painting is given in Figure 141 of the same
source in which two hunters are hunting an ibex. but the the bow they
are using is in the style of the double-bend Turkish Bow. This is
again very enlightening. [12]

And finally, the same source, Figure 155 shows rock paintings with
inscriptions that have words delimited by a colon, or three or four
dots in a column which was the ancient Turanian writing specialty. [13]

In another figure (Figure 148) a human wearing a headdress with two
horns appears to have a sun or cloud like object above him from which
sun rays or rain drops are coming down. Yet in another rock painting,
Figure 152, there are four people in some kind of dance motion. But
most interesting of all is the drawing in the air of a pair of "bull"
horns behind which there is light and from the horns come out some
rays downward. This again represents the ancient Sun-God OGUZ with a
BULL (OKUZ) concept and is very much Turanian.

d) The ancient Turkish people of Turan are known for their "DAMGAS",
that is, "marks, stamps, hallmarks, brand-marks" which have been put
on rock faces all over Asia and other places. These marks are the
forerunners of alphabetic symbols.

The name "alphabet" is defined as: 1. The letters that form the
elements of written language, in an order fixed by usage. 2. Any
system of characters or symbols representing the sounds of speech.
[from Latin "alphabetum", from Greek "alpha" a + "beta" b, from Hebrew
"aleph" ox "beth" house]. [14]

The Greek terms ALPHABETIKOS and also ALPHABETIKON mean "alphabetic
an/or alphabetical". [15]

d.1) ALPHABETIKOS, where the Greek letter "H" is actually an "I", when
rearranged letter-by-letter as "ALPHBETI-AKOS", and when it is read
phonetically as in Turkish, is the restructured and disguised form of
the Turkish expression "ALFEBETI AGUZ" (Alfabeti AGUZ) meaning
"alphabet is language" or "speech is alphabet" or "alphabet is
speech". Turkish "ALFEBE" (Alfabe) means "alphabet". Indeed Language
(speech) is endless arrangement of alphabetical sounds in writing as
well as in voice. Hence language or the speech is alphabet or
viceversa. In the above definition of "alphabet", we find the same
meaning as given by this Turkic source text which is not a

d.2) Additionally embedded in the Greek "ALPHABETIKOS", that is, when
it is viewed letter-by-letter as "ALPH-BETI-AKOS", is the restructured
and disguised form of the Turkish expression "ALAF BETI OKUS" (Alav
Beydi Okuz/Oguz) meaning:

d.2a) "Ox was the Flame Lord" referring to the ancient Turanian
Sun-God OGUZ whose logo was the OX (bull).

d.2b) Alternatively, it means "OGUZ is Flame Lord" which describes the
ancient Turanian Sun-God OGUZ whose logo was "OKUZ" (OX). The Turkish
word "ALAF" (alav, alev) means "flame" which the "SUN" certainly is.
It is curious that the Hebrew word "ALAF" meaning "OX" (OKUS, OGUZ)
verifies the fact that the name "alphabet" has been named after the
ancient Turanian Sun-God OGUZ (O GÖZ, O KÖZ).

Here it is important to bring in another fact into the discussion.
That is the first letter of the "alphabet" which is the letter "A".
This letter is known as "Greek "Alpha", Semitik 'alaf", Arabic "elif"
and in Turkish as "A" very much like "O" meaning "that".

In the ancient Sumerian pictorial alphabet, the letter "A" was an "OX"
head. [16] Presently, the letter "A" is an inverted and stylized "OX"
head, that is, the legs of the "A" are symbolically the horns of the
OX. Since OX was the symbol of the ancient Turanian Sun-God among
Turanians, then it is clear that the letter "A" was named after the
ancient Turanian Sky-Father God, Sun-God and the Moon-God. This
unquestionably ties in the Turkish name OGUZ (OKUZ) with the first
letter of the alphabet.

In this animated representation, the "horns of OX" represent the "the
horns of the Crescent Moon", that is, the "Moon-God" of the ancient
Turanians which also embellishes the flags of many Tur/Turk peoples
together with a sun symbol (star). In ancient Turanian sacred stately
symbols, a crescent moon always embraced a sun symbol. Even the
Ottoman State symbol had a crescent moon embracing the sun at the very
top of the emblem.

The letter "A" being named after the Sky-God OGUZ (OKUZ) is itself a
proof that the alphabet and writing were invented by the Turanian
Tur/Turk peoples despite all the verbose effort expended to Semitize
and/or Hellenize that fact. The so-called Indo-European and Semitic
languages are artificially manufactured languages using Turkish as the
source date base and therefore have nothing to do with the invention
of alphabet or writing.

The ancient Turanian Sky-Father-God is "ONE" and the "FIRST" among the
trinity sky-god deities of One Sky-Father-God (Turkish
Gök-Ata-Tengri), One Sun-God (Gün-Han, Gün-Tengri), and One Moon-God
(Ay-Han. Ay-Tengri). Similarly letter "A" is the first among the list
of symbols making up the modern alphabet. It also has a numerical
value of "ONE", Turkish "BIR", that can have forms of PIR, PER, PAR
and PR and other forms in other languages.

The meaning of this discussion regarding the letter "A" and the name
"ALAF" or "ALFA" is that the symbols of the ancient alphabet were
named in Turkish rather than Greek or Semitic. As I have noted in so
many of my discussions, these languages are artificially manufactured
from Turkish; similarly, the names of the alphabetic symbols have also
been usurped from Turkish. In another paper I will discuss the names
of the other symbols together with the names of at least the first
three numerals which have also been named after the ancient Turanian
trinity sky-god. Turkish name for "ONE" is "BIR" which is one name
for the Sky-Father God. Turkish name for "TWO" is "IKI" and comes from
one name of the SUN which is "EKE/AKA" meaning "Great" or "Lord".
Turkish name for "THREE" is "ÜÇ" (also "ÜSh", like the Sumerian "ESh"
for "three") and probably comes from an ancient Turkish name "EÇE"
meaning "great father" or "great mother" used as one metaphorical name
for the Moon similar to Turkish expressions "Ay-dede" (moon
grandfather), "Ay-baba" (moon father), "Ay-eche" (moon great-father or
great-mother) used for the moon. In the ancient Turanian religious
concept Moon is regarded as "third" in rank in the trinity concept.

In Arabic the name of Allah is invoked, for example, by saying
"ALLAH-U EKBER" meaning "God is Great" but embedded in this expression
is the Turkish expression "AL ILAH EKE BIR" meaning "Red God is Great
One" referring to the ancient Turanian Sun-God. RED is one of the
colours that sun provides; it is giant in size in our solar system,
and it is also ONE in number in our solar system. It is the only
source of life and energy for all living beings on earth.

e) The Greek term ALPHABETIKON, meaning "alphabetical", where the
Greek letter "H" is actually an "I", when rearranged letter-by-letter
as "ALAPH-BETI-KON", is the Turkish expression "ALAV BEYDI KUN" (Alev
Beydi GÜN) meaning "Sun is Lord Fire" which defines the Sun and its
brilliant fiery "flame" nature. This again shows that the symbols of
the "alphabet are named in Turkish and after the ancient Turanian

All this also indicates that not only was writing invented by the
TURANIANS but also the symbols of the alphabet were named in Turkish
and after the Turanian Sky-God. That is why the Turkish language is

The English name "ONE" for numeral "one" is nothing but the distorted
Sumerian word "ANU", that is, the name of the ancient Turanian creator
Sky-God. Similarly it is the distorted form of Turkish word "HAN-U"
(Han O) meaning "He is Lord". Thus numeral name "ONE" has been usurped
from Sumerian and Turkish. Similarly other Indo-European numeral
names for "one" such as "UNE", "UNO", "UN" and other variations are
again from Sumerian "ANU" and Turkish "HAN-U".

The English name "TWO" for numeral "2", and similarly the Greek word
"DUO", Latin "DUO", and other similar Indo-European words meaning "2"
are the restructured and distorted forms of Turkish "OD O" meaning "it
is fire" and Sumerian "UTU" meaning "Sun God" referring to the
brilliantly fiery Sun. Even the Latin term "SECUNDUS", and the English
term "SECOND" for ordinal number "2" are distortions of the Turkish
expression "KUNESDI" (Günesdi) meaning "it is sun" which is "second"
in rank to its own creator, that is, the One Sky-Father-God, that is,
"BIR GÖK ATA TENGRI" in Turkish.

All these revelations that I made here relate alphabet and writing to
Turanians. Yet in view of endless usurpation from Turkish, Sumerian
and other Turanian languages and civilizations, it is hard to expect a
direct find of the name "TUR, TURK or TURKISH" in any readings of
ancient texts by those who had such a secret burning jealousy and ill
will in their hearts against the Turanians. When people steal from
someone, they usually avoid mentioning the name of the victim as a
cover up for their own crime and again most likely they will belittle
and put down the victim at any occasion. We have a similar situation
in this case. It is indeed hard to believe that an ancient
civilization including its language, religion, traditions, wealth and
even their peoples can be stolen without being noticed while it was
being destroyed. The most astonishing aspect of it is that it is still
being done.

Dear friends, I am saddened in the name of "humanity" to say that this
evil act has taken place with such amazing skill and deception. Surely
it is an "achievement" for the usurper but the end result is that the
whole world has been turned upside down and everyone has been deceived
like children including the deceivers' own peoples. In the whole
process, the Turkish world, that is, the world of ancient Turanians,
has been looted, divided, victimized and put in disarray. The Turks
themselves are not aware of this fact and because of this, they are
vulnerable to their adversaries. The ancient wanderers have done this
amazing "black" achievement. Anything and everything Turkish has been
stolen from the ancient Turanian civilization hence the names Tur,
Turk and Turkish are avoided.

This is my response to Clyde Winter's question. It is hoped that this
essay will provide him and other readers an understanding of what is
standing behind the name Turan, Tur, Turk and Turkish and why the
people who carry these names with honor, dignity and pride are
objected to so vehemently.


[1] Redhouse Turkish - English Dictionary, 1987, Istanbul, p. 177.
[2] DIVRY's "Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk
Dictionary, p. 139.
[3] Sir E. A. Wallis Budge, "Egyptian Language", London and Henley,
New York Dover Publications, Inc. 1977. p. 1.
[4] Sir E. A. Wallis Budge, "An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary",
Dover Publications, Inc., New York, 1920.
[5] Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1947, p. 1075.
[6] Sir E. A. Wallis Budge, "An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary",
Dover Publications, Inc., New York, 1920, p. lxix, under "tuat".
[7] Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1947, p. 648.
[8] Encyclopaedia Britannica, Vol. 22, 1963, p. 530.
[9] Encyclopaedia Britannica, Vol. 22, 1963, p. 530.
[10] Josheph Campbell, "Historical Atlas of World Mythology, Vol. 1:
the Way of the Animal Powers", Harper & Row, Publishers,
New York, 1988, p.83, Figure 147.
[11] Josheph Campbell, "Historical Atlas of World Mythology, Vol. 1:
p. 83, Figure 146.
[12] Josheph Campbell, "Historical Atlas of World Mythology, Vol. 1:
p. 8o-81, Figure 141.
[13] Josheph Campbell, "Historical Atlas of World Mythology, Vol. 1:
p. 87, Figure 155.
[14] The Reader's Digest Great Encyclopedic Dictionary, 1971, p. 41.
[15] DIVRY's "Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Desk
Dictionary, p. 407.
[16] Samuel Noah Kramer and The Editors of TIME-LIFE Books,
"Cradle of Civilization", Time Incorporated, New York1967, p. 130.

Best wishes to all,

Polat Kaya


(Copyright © 2004 Polat Kaya)

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fritzv@... wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "clyde winters" <olmec982000@...>
> To: <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [akandabaratam] Is Sumerian Archaic Dravidian/Tamil ?
> >
> > Hi
> > This theory sounds interesting but, if Turanian was
> > the ancestor of Elamite , Dravidian and Sumerian why
> > don't we see Turkish written in cuneiform, or any
> > other ancient language. Both Sumerian and Elamite are
> > written in cuneiform and Tamil are written in the
> > Indus Valley writing, but we find no ancient evidence
> > of the Turk.
> > Clyde
> >
> > --- Ram Varmha <fritzv@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Dr. Loganathan,
> > >
> > > You had asked me if I agree with you that Sumerian
> > > is Archaic Tamil/Dravidian. I can sincerely inform
> > > you that I do not know!
> > >
> > > There are far too many versions re the origin of
> > > these ancient languages and unless one can see
> > > constructive discussions and critiques by many
> > > scholars on these topics one cannot form any serious
> > > opinion. So far, we have heard only your opinions.
> > > But, we would like you to put your findings to the
> > > greater Sumeriology scholars at prominent
> > > Universities etc, and obtain their opinion on your
> > > theories. There are many studies going on in many
> > > prominent Universities around the world and it will
> > > be interesting to find what they have to say about
> > > your works. I am sure they will be interested in
> > > reviewing your theses.
> > >
> > > I think it is very important that we understand what
> > > these experts have to say about your essays. I do
> > > not know if prominent Sumeriologists know of your
> > > scholarship and if they do, whether they agree with
> > > you or not? It is up to you, not to me, to expose
> > > your theories to the outside world and have them
> > > analyzed. If there is a consensus among other
> > > Sumeriologists that what you write is accurate then
> > > that will be of great value to all.
> > >
> > > Now, Dr. Polat Kaya, whose works I have read, is of
> > > the opinion that Turanian language of the ancient
> > > Tur/Turks is the base language of Turkic, Sumerian
> > > and Dravidian. If this be so, then one can
> > > immediately see a connection between these three
> > > languages. This appears to be reasonable, because of
> > > the similarity one finds at least between these
> > > three languages. If this be so, then wouldn't
> > > Sumerian be an offspring of Turanian, just as
> > > Dravidian, Turkic, Elamite and others may be? In
> > > other words all these languages, may be 'siblings'?
> > > Perhaps, the statement Sumerian is 'Archaic
> > > Tamil/Dravidian' may be modified to 'Sumerian is
> > > Archaic Turanian' ?
> > >
> > > Your thoughts?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ram

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