Re: [hrl_2] Re: "Words Under the Lens Series"-#2: The latin word "FERRAMENTUM" sourced from Turkish.

Dear David L,

Thank you.  I see no problem David! All Greek sources are altered Turkish words, hence, they are already intentionally mutilated, distorted and  confused.  The Semitic sources are also the same.  You, in your below writing, also indicated that HEBREW is "OBR" (O-BR or OB-R) which verifies my response to you dated 16/12/2007.  

BR is not a word as it stands. In order to be a word, it needs a vowel between B and R.  In this case, the missing vowel is the Turkish letter I, thus, making the word "O BIR" or "BIR O" meaning "He is ONE" (ONLY ONE)  which is the name of the ancient Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples' "Sky God".  Turkish BIR is the numeral "one".  But, it is also the "number" of the Sky-God (GÖK-TANRI) since God is regarded as "ONE" and "ONLY ONE". The term HEBREW  is a totally distorted and disguised form of this Turkish phrase describing the Sky-God concept.  Hence, it is a "GODLY" concept elevating the people who use it as an ethnic name. The restructuring Turkish  "O BIR" or "BIR O" into HEBREW makes it a stolen concept from Turkish into Semitic since the very ancient times.

You said:

To analyze the word I am not entirely sure, the roots are either ob + r, or they are o + br; in either case r probably means "move" and o probably means "about", and I do not know the meaning of br or of ob (whichever is correct). But together obr means "cross (over)", as best as I am able to translate based on contextual evidence.

Here, your description becomes not very likely, because: why would a people take a name that means "move" or "cross (over)"?  What does it mean as a name for a people?  In what manner it is an elevating name?  Unless, they want to refer to their own "moving", that is,  "wandering" habits which the Semites were.  But this they have done by the Turkish word "YEL" simplified as "EL" or "IL" or simply "L"  meaning "wind". So your explanation is not likely.  


Best wishes to you and to all,

Polat Kaya

05/01/2008




David L wrote:

Ok, good answers Polat, but there is a problem with your suggestion of a connection to the word Hebrew.
The Hebrew word for "Hebrew" is the correct source of that word and it is spelled ayin beth rosh.
In Greek transliteration it was ebr.
I generally transliterate ayin as o.
so ayin beth rosh is obr; but however it is transliterated, ayin is not an 'h', and originally did not relate to an 'h' phoneme.
Also this word seems to most closely mean "cross", and it was used to mean probably "foreigner" though I am not sure, just that obr means "cross" and is used in contexts meaning "cross over".
In the days when Yiddish speakers were beginning to learn modern Hebrew they would pronounce the word /ibrit/, again ayin beth rosh.
To analyze the word I am not entirely sure, the roots are either ob + r, or they are o + br; in either case r probably means "move" and o probably means "about", and I do not know the meaning of br or of ob (whichever is correct). But together obr means "cross (over)", as best as I am able to translate based on contextual evidence.
Dave
--- In historical_linguistics_2@yahoogroups.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:

 Dear David L,
Turkish word TEMÜR (DEMÜR, DEMIR) is the word that means "iron". -

DEN 

is a Turkish suffix when added to TEMÜR, word becomes TEMÜRDEN, 

that 

is, "TEMÜR-DEN" which means "made of iron" (made from iron). Furthermore, there is another Turkish suffix -UM added to the 

word, 

which makes the word TEMÜRDENÜM, that is, "TEMÜR-DEN-ÜM" meaning "I 

am 

made of iron". This is exactly the meaning that has been 

attributed to 

the manufactured Latin word "FERRAMENTUM".
Since the Latin word is an anagrammatized and restructured form of 

the 

Tukish expression TEMÜRDENÜM, the meaning of "iron" which was 

expressed 

by the word "TEMÜR" has now been given to the front end of the word "FERRAMENTUM" (FERRA-MENTUM) which is FERRA. Thus what was "TEMÜR" 

in 

Turkish, now became "FERRA" in the so-called "Latin". Hence there 

is an 

intentional shift of "iron" concept from TEMÜR to FERRA both 

meaning 

"iron". In this deceptive construction, FERRA is being presented as 

if 

it was the root word for "FERRAMENTUM" and other similar words. In 

fact, 

it was not!
Regarding your reference to the word "Brazil", I do not believe 

that the 

country name BRAZIL means "IRON" just because country is rich with "iron". Additionally, I do not believe that the "Hebrew" 

word "brzl" 

which you say means "iron" is the source for the country 

name "Brazil". 

 However, I would say that the country names of most of the South American countries are concocted by the Judeo-Christianity 

missionaries 

who were essentially "Wind" (Storm-god) believers. With this 

insight, 

the name "BRAZIL" is the Turkish expression "BIR AZ IL" which has 

at 

least two meanings:
a) "One Peerless Wind" which describes the ancient "storm god" ENLIL. We should remember that ancient Semites believed the 

Sumerian the 

storm God "ENLIL", which is "HAN YEL" in Turkish meaning "the Wind Lord". You may remember that I discussed this matter in my papers regarding the "Tower of Babylon" which you will find it in Polat 

Kaya 

Library.
b) "One peerless country" which is in the ancient Turanian way 

of 

naming a country by elavating its name to a sacred state. Turkish words BIR means "one", AZ means "peerless" or "few" and IL 

(YIL 

/ YEL) means "wind", IL also means "country", HAN means "Lord" and 

EL 

means "hand". The symbol of wind was a "tornado' represented with 

a 

"hand symbol" coming out of the clouds.
Additionally, the word "brzl" is not even a proper word but rather 

an 

accumulation of consonants without any wovels between them. It is actually a skeleton of many similarly structured words. With such misleading verbal constructions, the gaps between the consonants 

can be 

filled with different wovels as the reader wishes leading to words 

of 

many forms.
Further, the name "Hebrew" was given to ancient Masarians, 

Canaanites 

and Phoenicians. HEBREW name, deciphered as "HE-BER-UY", is a distorted and disguised form of the Turkish phrase "AHA BIR ÖY" 

meaning 

"One Lord House" which refered to the houses of the rulers of these peoples. Additionally it was he Turkish phrase "AHA BIR O" 

meaning "One 

Lord He" (One Lord God) which was the name of the ancient Turanian 

Sky 

Creator God and also the godly titles of the rulers of these 

peoples. 

 The Masarian Pharaohs in their own language were called PERU (PIR-

O, 

BIR-O) which made them the Sky God Kings or HAKANS. So, the name 

HEBREW 

had a Turkish origin before it was Semitized. So, it seems that 

the 

Jewish people adopted this ancient Turkish name for Sky God as a 

name 

for themselves. Turkish AHA (AKA, AGA) means "Lord", BIR 

means "One", ÖY 

means "house" and O means "he/she/it".
Best wishes to you and to all during these on coming holiday season,
Polat Kaya
16/12/2007
David L wrote:

If dem or tem means "made from" then how did it come to 

mean "iron" 

(type of metal) ? Also it is not clear that it is related to 

ferra. 

It may be, I just don't see that, it is not clear.
I do know the country Brazil is so called because it is rich in 

iron 

and brzl is the Ancient Hebrew word for "iron".
--- In historical_linguistics_2@yahoogroups.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@> wrote:

 Dear Friends,
The word #2 of the "Words Under the Lens Series" is the Latin 

word 

FERRAMENTUM which means "any instrument or tool made from iron", 

[ 

Cassell's Compact Latin-English and English-latin dictionary, Cassel-London, 1962, p. 101].
FERRAMENTUM deciphered letter-by-letter as "TEMURFENAM-R" where 

F 

is an 

alphabetical up shift from letter D, that is, D/F shift has taken 

place, 

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_cipher , thus, it is from restructured Turkish expression "TEMURDENEM" (DEMIRDENIM) 

meaning "I am 

made of iron" which is the meaning attributed to this so-

called "Latin" 

word.
The word "FERRA" which is the cut off front end of the word 

FERRAMENTUM 

and similarly the Latin word "FERRUM" supposedly means "iron". 

It 

must 

be noted that the meaning and the concept of "iron" attributed to 

this 

word comes from the Turkish word "TEMUR" (TEMIR, DEMIR) and not 

>from 

"FERRA" which is a meaningless part of a longer restructured 

word. 

What 

has taken place in this anagrammatizing process is that the 

meaning 

of 

"TEMUR" (TEMIR, DEMIR) has been artificially shifted to FERRA 

(FERRUM) 

giving the false impression that as if "FERRA" is the root word 

of 

FERRAMENTUM which it is not! Turkish suffix -DEN, -TEN means "from" and in this case it 

means "made 

from, made of" and the suffix -EM, -UM is the Turkish verbal 

suffix 

of 

the first person singular.
Thus, all other Latin words such as FERRARIA, FERRARIUS, 

FERRATUS, 

FERREUS, FERRUGIMEUS, FERRUM, etc. having meanings realated 

to "iron" 

and all similar words from other so-called "Indo-European" 

languages are 

all sourced from this above given Turkish expression. Türks of Central Asia are well known for their "ERGENEKON" story 

in 

which an "iron" mountain was melted away before they started to 

migrate 

to all parts of the world. Turks have mined and worked the iron 

ore and 

smelted it into all kinds of shapes for thousands of years. One 

of 

such 

iron instrument was the "the plough share" which has been used in agriculture ever since they invented the agricultural cultivation 

of the 

fields. The Turkish steel used in the make up of the Turkish 

swords and 

other military instruments were peerless among their rivals.
Thus the source of this Latin word FERRAMENTUM is pure Turkish as 

given 

above contrary to all the linguistic disinformation that has been perpetrated!
Best wishes to all,
Polat Kaya
29/11/2007