Re: [hrl_2] Polat Kaya - One Example Too Many...

Dear Joan Griffith,

This is my response to your second posting at historical_linguistics_2. It is somewhat long, but it is important to air some unknown or intentionally denied facts regarding the ancient world.  In my response to your first email, shown in link, I stated in easy to understand terms:   
"I would like to restate once again that the ancient world was a one-language-speaking world, and that one language that the whole world spoke was TURKISH - before that world language was intentionally confused by secret operating caballic priests, monks, teachers and others. "  I will again reemphasize that fact with some more examples, but this time using words that are relevant to what you stated in this posting of yours. 

A.    About the name "Armenia":

You said:


"Unique discoveries revealed as a result of excavations at Shengavit
(4000-3000 B.C.) confirm that Armenia is the motherland of metallurgy,
jeweler’s art, wine-making and horse breeding..."

Polat Kaya:  First of all, let me point out to you and to everyone that the name "ARMENIA" is not the name of the people but rather the name of a geographical area in eastern Anatolia. This name and all of the ancient toponyms shown on maps and in history books are all altered names from their original Turkish names of the ancient Turanians. Just like manufacturing words from ancient Turkish words and phrases for so-called "Indo-European" (IE) languages that did not exist before, the Greeks, Romans, Christianity church and the so-called Persian Achamenide Dynasty altered all ancient Turanian toponyms  throughout the Asian geography that they invaded and took over from Turanians into the confused forms of IE languages. The so-called "Armenians" under the guidance of the Christian church did exactly the same whenever they had the opportunity. The intentional toponym alterations were done to obliterate the traces of ancient Turanian civilization from all the area invaded by the Aryans and Semites.   

Those people who claim to be "Armenians" actually call themselves HAYK or HAIK or HAY or HAI rather than "Armeni" - therefore, the name "ARMENIA" does not belong to those people.  The HAY or HAYK (HAIK) people attaching themselves to the name "ARMENIA" is a con-game fabricated by HAYK operators.  I have discussed this matter in another paper of mine, but in Turkish, given at link:

However, regarding the name "ARMENIA", the  Wikipedia gives the following at link: 

"Hayk,Haig (Armenian: also transliterated as Haik) is the legendary patriarch and founder of the Armenian nation. His story is told in the History attributed to Moses of Chorene (5th to 7th century).

The name of the patriarch, Hayk, Haig is not exactly homophonous with the name for "Armenia", Hayk’. Hayk’ is the nominative plural in Classical Armenian of (hay), the Armenian term for "Armenian."[1]
   The etymology of Hayk'  from Hayk is impossible.[1] The origin of the term Hye ("Armenian") is obscure.[1]Nevertheless,  both Hayk and Haig' are usually connected to hye and hyer , the nominative plural inModern Armenian), the self-designation of the Armenians."

Polat Kaya:    The name HAYK, HAIG is not homophonous with the name "Armenia" because they have no relation with each other and the claims of HAI being Armeni are totally bogus and political. Thus, trying to attach the HAYK (HAY) people to the name "ARMANIA" is artificial and false and has no historical or linguistic basis. This is just like the disinformation that has been spread by "Aryans" about the so-called "Indo-European" (IE) languages, which did not exist before they were manufactured from Turkish.  Similarly, the attachment of HAYK or HAY people to the name "Armenia" is false and manufactured disinformation. The name "ARMENIA" is an "Aryanized" name converted from Turkish,  just like the endless numbers of other IE names and words that have been Aryanized from the Turkish language of ancient Turanians.  

For your information, I must also point out that even the name "HAY" is from Turkish word "AY" meaning "moon" - indicating that these HAY people are "Moon-God" believers.  However, in the case of the HAY, their moon-god is not the fully lit "Full-Moon", but rather the fully-dark "Black-Moon".  Black is the color of "Aryan" and "Abrahamic" religious establishments.

Additionally, the HAYK (HAY) people call their country HAYASTAN.  This is, of course nothing but the Turkish expression "AYISTAN".  It is a name after the ancient Turanian Moon-God.  Thus you can see that even their names are manufactured from Turkish - just like their language, as an IE language, is manufactured from Turkish.

Now let us come to the name "Armenia". The name "ARMENIA" is an ancient "geographical" name given to Eastern Anatolia not because of the presence of HAY (HAYK) people there, but rather for "bee keeping" activities in the area. This we see as follows: 

a)    The name ARMENIA, rearranged as "MEN-ARI-IA", is the anagrammatized Turkish expression 
"MEN ARI ÖYI" meaning "I am house of bee", that is, "land of bee farming (bee keeping)".  

b)    Alternatively, the name ARMENIA, rearranged as "ARIMAN-E", is the anagrammatized Turkish expression 
"ARIMEN EVI"  meaning "house of beeman"  (house of beekeepers).  The name "ARIMAN" is like the Turkish name "TURKOMAN" or "TURKMEN". Additionally, the name "ARIMEN EVI" (ARMENIA) is just like the Turkish name "BALKAN" that ancient Turanians gave to what is presently called "Eastern Europe".  This Turkish word "BALKAN" also is a name for honey-producing lands in which the Turkish word "BAL" means "honey".

Because of the fact that eastern Anatolia is a mountainous land with fertile valleys and endless flowers, Eastern Anatolia is well known for its honey producing.  Hence, this land was known as the land of bees and therefore, of honey.  Ancient Turks are known for their "bee keeping" and "honey producing" activities. Anatolia was one of the homelands of the ancient Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples who antedated the Aryans in Asia, Europe, Middle East, and Africa.  

Thus, the ancient Turkish geographical appellation of 
"ARIMEN EVI" or "MEN ARI ÖYI" has been anagrammatized and Aryanized into "ARMENIA" - even though it had nothing to do with the name HAY (HAYK).  Interestingly, the anagrammatized name "ARMENIA" has a likeness to the name "ARAMAIC" - who were the wanderers of the ancient world in the Middle East.  Even this name "ARAMAIC" is from Turkish word "ARAMACI" meaning "wanderer" 

Like the rest of ancient Anatolia, the geographic area so-called "Armenia" has been one of the homelands for ancient Turanians such as the Sumerians, Hatties, Hurrians, Mitannians, Urartians, Kassites, Kipchak, Saka, Mede (METE), Selchuks, Ottomans and many more. Among them, the KIPCHAK Turks were probably the first ones to have been Christianized. Similarly, the Georgians were also Christianized Kipchak Turks living in the KUR River area. "Christianizing" people is like "anagrammatizing" the Turkish language words and phrases into "IE" languages. Thus, Christianizing also changes the ethnicity, identity and culture of people into Aryan (i.e., from Turkish "ARAYAN" meaning "wanderer".)

Now let us come to the name "SHENGAVIT" that you mention in your entry and also the name "YEREVAN".

The so-called city "SHENGAVIT" is said to be part of the city of "YEREVAN" which is presently also called ERIVAN in Turkish.  The name YEREVAN, rearranged as "ANV-YERE", is the restructured form of the Turko-Sumerian phrase 
"ANU-YERI" meaning "place of ANU", that is, "place of Sky-God".  This is the ancient Turanian way of describing some top cities. 

Similarly, the city name SHENGAVIT, rearranged as "ATI-GVNESH", is the restructured form of the Turkish phrase 
"ADI  GÜNEŞ" meaning "its name is Sun".  Alternatively, when it is deciphered as "GNESH-AVTI", it is the restructured form of the Turkish phrase "GÜNEŞ EVIDI" meaning "it is house of Sun" - which is again made up from Turkish words in the ancient Turanian style.

These revelations, clearly show that the so-called place SHENGAVIT was originally named in Turkish before it was altered by some people.  This further indicates that these places were Turanian lands before they were usurped from Turkish peoples and falsely named as "ARMENIA". 

Additionally, the name YEREVAN, rearranged as "ANV-YERE",  is from Turkish 
"ANU YERI" (TANRI YERI) meaning "place of God" ANU (HAN O) was the name of Turko-Sumerian universal Sky-God 

The Turkish city name VAN (ANV) is also from this Turko-Sumerian name "ANU" (HAN O) 

The ancient ruins of ANI in Kars, Turkiye also carries this ancient Turko-Sumerian name of the Sky-God ANU.  These "church" like ruins were the ancient temples of the KIPCHAK Turks who had become Christianized. Presently, these ruins are artfully claimed by the HAYK people as if they belonged to them. Of course all of these name changes and people alterations have been the doings of the Judeo-Christian religious organizations and their missionaries.  Similar to altering the Turkish words and phrases into IE and Semitic languages,  Judeo-Christian religions have changed some Turanian Turkish peoples' identities into new names and new identities.  That is the game!  Change the name, and then own it!

Superficially, we are told that the name CAUCASUS is from the Greek name KAUKASOS.  However, when the Greek word KAUKASOS is rearranged as "AKA-OKUSS", we find that it is the altered form of the Turkish name 
"AGA OGUZ" meaning "Lord Oguz" which refers to the name of the Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples and their ancestors.  Hence, initially, the name of the "Caucasian" geograpy was also named by the Turanians with the Turkish name "AGA OGUZ" (OGUZ AGA) before it was Aryanized.   

Additionally, when the name KAUKASOS,  is rearranged as "AKA-O-KUSS", we get the Turkish name 
"AGA O KÖZ" meaning "that 'fire' is Lord"  which refers to the Sun as being the Sun-God.  Thus this toponym KAUKASOS also carries the name of the ancient Turanian Sun-God - in Turkish indicating that the natives of the area were ancient OGUZ believing Turanians. 

When the name KAUKASOS  is rearranged as "AKA-OKUSS", we get the Turkish name 
"AGA ÖKÖZ" meaning "Lord Bull" referring to the "Bull" logo given to the Sky God and his eyes of Sun and Moon in ancient Turanian religious understanding.  See my paper at link

Thus from all of these, we see that the geography presently called "Armenia" was the land of Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples and named in Turkish before the so-called "HAY" (HAYK) people arrived there. 

With all of these explanations, it must be clear to anyone that what is called "Armenia" was actually the ancient home for Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples - rather than to HAIK peoples. 



B.    About the term "Metallurgy":

You said: 


"Unique discoveries revealed as a result of excavations at Shengavit
(4000-3000 B.C.) confirm that Armenia is the motherland of metallurgy,
jeweler’s art, wine-making and horse breeding..."

Polat Kaya:  Saying "ARMENIA being the motherland of metallurgy" has validity - not because of the HAYK (HAY) people, but rather, because of the ancient Turanians who lived in Eastern Anatolia and the Caucasus area far longer than anyone else - where they exercised and perfected the art and science of metallurgy.

Additionally, this area has "iron ore" all over it. Because of the presence of iron ore in this part of Anatolia, the central Anatolian river presently named "KIZILIRMAK" meaning "red river" was also named as "AL-SU" meaning "red waters" by the ancient Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples of Anatolia.  These names come from the fact that the waters of this river are mixed with the red colored iron dust - so-called "rust".  This ancient Turkish name 
ALSU was conveniently altered by the Greeks into so-called "HALYS" which can be deciphered as "AL-SYH" (AL SU).   

And, I must also note that the ancient Turkish speaking so-called "HATTI" people of Turan lived in that "ALSU" area.  The name 
"Hatti (Assyrian URUHa-at-ti) in Bronze Age Anatoliarefers to: the area of Hattusa, roughly delimited by the Halys bend, and the Hattians of the 3rd and 2nd millennia BC",

This name HATTI was conveniently and artificially changed to the name "HITTITE" at recent times by western "scholars". This name change sneakily attaches an Aryan identity to the ancient Turkish speaking Turanian  HATTI people. The name HATTI is said to be from the Assyrian name "HA-AT-TI".  Yet this name "HA-AT-TI", rearranged as "HA-TT-IA", is the altered form of the Turkish expression 
"AHA TETE ÖYI"  (AGA DEDE EVI) meaning "Home of Lord Grandfathers" which indicates that this so-called HATTI land was left to the Turkish speaking people "HATTIANS" by their lord ancestors indicating that their ancestors were Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples.  

All these are indications that Anatolia was a Turkish speaking homeland far before the Aryans and Semites infiltrated among the native Turanians.  These newcomers, at opportune times, altered and disguised not only the toponyms of ancient Anatolia but also the identity of the native Turanian peoples. 

Now, after all of these enlightening revelations, let me explain to you the so-called English term "metallurgical" which your reference source Prof, Rothman has used to describe ancient "Armenia" between the years 4000-3000 B. C as the "homeland of metallurgy".  The English term "METALLURGY" is defined as "the branch of science and technology concerned with the properties of metals and their production and purification." 

The English term "METALLURGY", rearranged letter-by-letter as  "TEMURGYLAL", where the last L is actually an upshift replacement for letter K, is the anagrammatized and Anglicized form of the Turkish term 
"TEMURGYLAK" (TEMURCULUK, DEMIRCILIK) meaning "iron-smith work", "blacksmith profession".  This is a clear indication that this so-called "English" terminology used to describe "metallurgy" was originally in Turkish and was usurped from Turkish by way of alteration.  This also indicates that the original "blacksmiths" (i.e., Turkish "DEMIRCILER") were Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples, that is, not the wanderer Aryans.

The English term "SMITH" is a name of a worker in metal, particularly, the term "iron-smith" is another name for "blacksmith".  But, even the term "IRON-SMITH", rearranged as "TIMORSI-HN"  is the Turkish expression 
"TIMURCI" (DEMIRCI) meaning "blacksmith" or "TIMURCI HAN" (DEMIRCI HAN) meaning "lord blacksmith".

There is the so-called ancient Greek word "demiourgos" transliterated into English as "demiurge". 

This term is defined as:  
"Demiurge (from the Greek δημιουργός dēmiourgós, Latinizeddemiurgus, meaning “artisan” or “craftsman”, literally “worker in the service of the people”, from δήμιος “of the people” + έργον “work”) is a term for a creator deity, responsible for the creation of the physical universe.”

The term  is also defined by the Oxford American Dictionaries as 
"demiurge, noun, a being responsible for the creation of the universe, in particular • (in Platonic philosophy) the Maker or Creator of the world. • (in Gnosticism and other theological systems) a heavenly being, subordinate to the Supreme Being, that is considered to be the controller of the material world and antagonistic to all that is purely spiritual."

The etymologies given in these citings are falsely diverted to "Aryan" sources. Yet, these words
demiurge, demiurgus, dēmiourgós have actually been stolen from Turkish,  and are Hellenized, Romanized and Anglicized. The ancient “Greeks” were tops in such usurping activities from the ancient Turkish civilization. 

When the “Greek” word DEMIOURGOS is deciphered letter-by-letter as “DEMIRGO-OUS”or “DEMIRGU-OOS”, we find that it is a restructured, Hellenized and disguised form of the Turkish expression 
“DEMIRCI OGUZ” meaning “the blacksmith Oguz” which identifies not only the Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples as the “master creators of metal workings” of the ancient world, but this name also personifies the Universal Sky-God as well.  

Of course the ancient Turanians gave a huge share of the material civilization to the world.  After all, the ancient Turanians were the first civilization builders.  The name OGUZ is also the name of the Sky-God, Sun-God and Moon-God of the ancient Turanian civilization.  Sky God OGUZ who is religiously regarded as the Creator of the universe and mankind on earth.  As the name
“DEMIRCI OGUZ” indicates, the OGUZ people were also the master “blacksmiths” of the world. Clearly, this word attributed to ancient Greeks, is a stolen word from Turkish, like endless numbers of other Greek language words that have been artificially manufactured from Turkish words and expressions by way of alterations.   As for the "demiurge, being responsible for the creation of the universe, in particular • (in Platonic philosophy) the Maker or Creator of the world" context of the name, we can see this fact as follows:  

The Greek name DEMIOURGOS, deciphered letter-by-letter as "DM-GOU-ERI-OS", is a restructured, Hellenized and disguised form of the Turkish expression  
"ADIM GÖY ERI OS", that is, "ADIM GÖY ERI OGUZ" meaning "my name is OS (OGUZ) the Sky-Man", or "my name is Sky-Man OGUZ".  Clearly, this definition in Turkish makes this "Sky-Man Demirgi Oguz" as the "Sky-God" who is regarded not only the only-creator deity of the universe and the creator of mankind but also his name is the same as the ancestor of the Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples.

Additionally,  the Greek word DEMOS meaning “common people” is the anagrammatized and Hellenized form of the Turkish word 
“ADAM'UZ” meaning “we are the common people, we are men”, and ERGOS meaning “work” is from the Turkish word “IRGAT” meaning “worker”.  It must be noted that the letter S in ERGOS is a downshifted replacement for the letter T in the Turkish source “IRGAT”, by way of the bogus so-called Caesar Ciphering.

Similarly, even the so-called “English” word CRAFTSMAN, when deciphered letter-by-letter as  “TAMARCFSN”, is found to be the altered and Anglicized form of the stolen Turkish expression 
“TEMIRCISEN” (DEMIRCISIN) meaning “you are blacksmith”. 



What all of this means is that the so called "art and science of 'metallurgy'"  was originally being carried out by people who spoke Turkish and therefore the initial terminologies regarding this field were done in Turkish.  But that Turkish speaking world was the world of the ancient Turanian "DEMIRCI" Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples.  And, thus the so called "art and science of 'metallurgy'"  was the invention of the ancient Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples and it was their contribution to the world - not by the HAYK people who came to the area called "Armenia" much, much later. This is a fact that neither you nor your reference know.  

Furthermore, there is a "pun" game being played with words.  In other words, those HAYK peoples, who do not even call themselves "ARMENI", for political reasons, have artificially claimed association with the geographic term of "Armenia" - hoping that their sophistry will, in time, earn them a Turanian land that never belonged to them at all.  These kinds of games have been played before and are still being played now.  During the first millennium B.C., these lands were called Albania and Atropatene and belonged to the Azerbaycani Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples and the Turanian Mede Empire in what is now called Iran.

For full coverage of the subject of metallurgy, please see my paper at link  




C.   Jeweler's Art":

You said:

"Unique discoveries revealed as a result of excavations at Shengavit
(4000-3000 B.C.) confirm that Armenia is the motherland of metallurgy,
jeweler’s art, wine-making and horse breeding..."

Polat Kaya:    In this context, let me say the following:  The term "JEWELRY" , rearranged as "JEWERLY" , is found to be the altered and Anglicized form of the Turkish expression
“CEVHERLI” meaning “with jewels” The term JEWELRY  is defined "as personal ornaments, such as necklaces, rings, or bracelets, etc., that are typically made from jewels and precious metals".  Thus the term and the concept that it represents has been stolen from a Turkish expression which many people do not know up to now!  Turkish word CEVHER means "jewel, precious stone".

"Gold" is one such precious metal that has been used in the makeup of jewelry since time immemorial.  Artifacts made from "gold" are called "golden" jewelry.  But the terms "gold" and "golden" are very much from Turkish term 
"ALTUN" (ALTIN) meaning "gold". This may surprise you, but don't be!  This we see when we rearrange the "English" term "GOLDEN" letter-by-letter as "OLDEN-G", we see that it is the altered and disguised form of the Turkish words "ALTUN" meaning "gold", "ALTUNCA" (ALTIN GIBI) meaning "gold-like" or "golden", and also  "ALTUNCU" meaning "the person who deals with all kinds of gold trading and golden jewelry".  So, the source, again, is the Turkish language - contrary to what people seem to know. 

One can see this very clearly if they go to the famed covered market called "KAPALI ÇARŞI" in Istanbul or even in any other Turkish city where jewelers display their art works.  One will see the mind boggling display of "golden" artifacts shown in their window cases by "ALTUNCU" Turks and even by Hayk artizans.  Thus, even in this regard, the terms "gold" and "golden" have been usurped from Turkish into IE languages. 

The Anatolian geography called "Armenia" is the next door neighbor to the ancient Turko-Sumerians' country called "SUMERU".  As I pointed out above, "Armenia" has been the homeland to countless numbers of Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples throughout the history. And the remnants of the art-works of these Turanians collected in many world museums are undeniable evidence of their talent and creativity.  Thus, it can be said with confidence that the ancient metal working 
“DEMIRCI OGUZ” (i.e., "the ironsmith Oguz"), surely was the progenitor of the original "jeweler's art" some 6000 (i.e., 4000 B. C.) or more years ago!  So your reference saying that " Armenia is the motherland of jeweler's art" is not far from the truth - except that the term "Armenia" in your reference does not involve the Haik people as you are falsely implying but rather the ancient Turanians. 




D.    Wine-Making:

Again you said:

"Unique discoveries revealed as a result of excavations at Shengavit
(4000-3000 B.C.) confirm that Armenia is the motherland of metallurgy,
jeweler’s art, wine-making and horse breeding..."

Polat Kaya:  As for your reference of  "Armenia being the "motherland of wine-making", I am afraid you are very much in the dark there also. Let me explain to you some of the secrets of the wine making story of the Aryan Greeks, which will also explain your "Armenian" case which is falsely attributed to the Haik people.

You may know about the so-called Greek mythology of DIONYSUS who was supposedly the "Greek God of Wine".  Well, let me tell you,  he was not a Greek god at all, but rather was stolen from the Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples of Anatolia.  The god Dionysus was from Phrygia.  By another name, he was from the "PHRYGES" people of Anatolia.  Let us read together the Wikipedia link

 or Dionysos ( Greek: Διόνυσος or Διώνυσος, pron. [di.'o.ny.sos]) is the ancient Greek god of wine, wine cups, wineskin, grapes, theater, and fertility. The god who inspires ritual madness, joyful worship, and ecstasy, carnivals, celebration and a major figure of Greek mythology. He is included as one of the twelve Olympians in some lists. Dionysus is typical of the god of the epiphany, "the god that comes". He was also known as Bacchus, the name adopted by the Romans[2] and the frenzy he induces, bakkheia. In addition to winemaking, he is the patron deity of agriculture and the theater. Hailed as an Asiatic foreigner, he was thought to have had strong ties to the East and to Ethiopia in the South. He was also known as the Liberator (Eleutherios), freeing one from one's normal self, by madness, ecstasy or wine.[3]The divine mission of Dionysus was to mingle the music of the aulos and to bring an end to care and worry.[4] Scholars have discussed Dionysus' relationship to the "cult of the souls" and his ability to preside over communication between the living and the dead.[5]

In Greek mythology, Dionysus is made out to be a son of Zeus and the mortal Semele. He is described as being womanly or "man-womanish".[6] The retinue of Dionysus was called the thiasus and was comprised chiefly of maenads and satyrs. Dionysus is a god of mystery religious rites. One of the most famous mystery religions was the Eleusinian Mysteries, in which Dionysus may have had a minor role. In theThracian mysteries, he wears the bassaris or fox-skin, symbolizing new life. His own rites, the Dionysian Mysteries practiced by maenads and others, were the most secret of all. Many scholars believe that Dionysus is a syncretism of a local Greek nature deity and a more powerful god from Thrace or Phrygiasuch as Sabazios[7] or Zalmoxis.[8] " 

Polat Kaya:  From this, it can be seen that ancient Greeks had many secretly operating mysteries such as "mystery religious rites", "Eleusinian Mysteries", and what I call the "secretive stealing of the Turkish language and the Turanian civilization" in which probably the so-called "Greek god Dionysus" was also part of this Aryan Greek game.  

The so-called Greek name DIWNUSOS (DIONYSUS ), where the bogus letter W can represent any one of UU, VV, YY, UV, UY, VU as required by the Greek myth-makers, rearranged as "USUN-SUIOD", or "USUN-SUODI", is the altered, restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression 
"ÜZÜM SUYUDI" meaning "it is grape water", "it is grape juice".  Indeed, wine is nothing but the fermented "grape juice". Please note that there has been an alteration of Turkish letter M to N (by way of Caesar Cipher) in order to further disguise the usurpation from Turkish by the myth-makers. 

Alternatively, the Greek name DIWNUSOS, rearranged as "USUN-SIUDO",  is the altered, restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression 
"ÜZÜM CIYIDI" meaning "it is the grape seed".  (It must also be noted that the English term "seed" is also from this Turkish word "CIYID" meaning "seed").  This is what Zeus saved from the destruction of Semele.  

Let us recall the mythological story where SEMELE, the mother of Dionysus (DIWNUSOS), and on the advice of jealous Hera, insists that her lover ZEUS reveal his true identity to Semele in person.  When the reluctant Zeus shows his true self, SEMELE is instantly destroyed.  But god Zeus saved the baby of the expectant mother Semele which was later called DIWNUSOS. In this well embellished story, what Zeus saved was nothing but the "grape seed". The so-called "ZEUS" which is, in one form - "S-EUZ" is from Turkish 
"AS AGUZ" meaning "peerless mouth", and, in another, it is the Turkish word "SÖZ" meaning "word". Of course, "ZEUS" the grape loving "mouth", after eating Semele which is the personification of "grape", saved the grape seed from which new generation of grape vines could be grown.  Generally, grape loving people do not eat the grape seed, but rather remove it!

Mythologically, the name of the mother of Dionysus (DIWNUSOS) was "SEMELE".  This name SEMELE, rearranged as "ESME-EL",  is the restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression 
"ASMA EL" meaning "the hanging 'hand' of a grape vine" which is also called "the hanging bunch of grapes"; and alternatively, the Turkish expression "ÜZÜM EL" again meaning "the hanging 'hand' of grapes" which is also the "the bunch of grapes hanging from the grape plant" 

Turkish word 
ASMA means "grapevine; hanging" ÜZÜM means "grape",  EL means "hand".  Thus the expression "ASMA ELI" means the "grape bundles that hang from the grape plant".  This is called "ÜZÜM SALKIMI" in Turkish. 

The so-called Greek god "ZEUS" was in love with Semele.  This is very normal!  ZEUS in one meaning was the Turkish word 
"SÖZ" meaning "word" and in the other, was Turkish word AGUZ meaning "mouth".   The "mouth" of Man surely loves eating grapes and drinking "grape juice" and will also tell you that "he/she is in love with SEMELE the grape (ÜZÜM)!"  

So, the story was again from the ancient Anatolian Turkish language in every aspect. The story above indicates that this "
Greek nature deity and a more powerful god was from Thrace (TURKIYE) or Phrygia of Anatolia".  Thus, it was not Greek nor was it  "Aryan", but rather, it was Turanian and Anatolian Turkish. 

The so-called Greek god Dionysus (DIWNUSOS), was also known as BACCHUS.  The name BACCHUS has a number of Turkish meanings embedded in it.

a)   This name BACCHUS, rearranged as "S-BACCHU",  is the restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression 
"aS BAGCU" (BIR BAGCI) meaning "one grape grower".  Of course, grape growers were also involved in "wine" making in the past - as they are at present. So the source of the name is again Turkish!

Additionally, the name BACCHUS, rearranged as "BACCH-SU",  is the restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression 
"BAGCI SU" meaning "water from grape grower". or "juice from grape grower"  which is again the all-intoxicating wine. 

b)   This name BACCHUS, rearranged as "BACH-CUS ",  where C is K, is the restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression 
"BAG KIZ" (BAG KIZI, BAGCI KIZ) meaning "grape collecting girl".  That is why there are so many intoxicated "Bacchus girls" as mentioned in the story.

Turkish word 
BAG means "vineyard; orchard" BAGCI means "grape grower",  KIZ means "girl". 

The ancient Anatolian country named PHRYGIA, was a state of Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples.  Their state name, just like the names of other Turanian states in Anatolia, was Hellenized as PHRUGIA, and the Phrygians Hellenized as PHRUKS or PHROGOS , [Divry's Modern English-Greek and Greek-English desk Dictionary, 1988, p. 733], is also given as the "Latin" name "PHRYGES" meaning "Phrigians", [Cassell's Compact Latin-English English-Latin Dictionary, 1962, p. 189].  

The name PHRUGIA, rearranged as "PHR-GUI-A", is the restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression 
"BIR GÖY Öy" meaning "One-Sky House" indicating that they were Turanian Turkish speaking Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples declaring themselves as the "ONE SKY" believing people.  And indeed, we have a "ONE SKY HOME" wherever we are.  But the definition was in Turkish, not in Greek!

Turkish word 
BIR means "one" GÖY (GÖK) means "sky",  ÖY (EV) means "house, home".

Similarly, the name PHROGOS , rearranged as "PHR-OGOS", is the restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression 
"BIR OGUZ" meaning "One-OGUZ" people indicating that they were Turanian and Turkish speaking Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples. Additionally, in the form of "PHR-O-GOS", it is the restructured and Hellenized form of the Turkish expression "BIR-O GUZ" meaning "One-God believing Oguz".  And also "BIR O GÖZ" meaning "Only That Eye" people indicating that they were also Turanian Sun-God and Moon-God worshipping and Turkish speaking Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples.  So, Anatolia was the home to totally Turkish speaking Turanians in first millennium B. C. and earlier.  So were the Caucasian lands!

Turkish word 
BIR-O means "a name of One-Sky-God" GUZ means "Oguz",  GÖZ means "eye". 

As you can see the ancient Aryan Greeks have stolen almost everything from Turkish - a fact which the so-called "scholars" or "professors" do not even know. Therefore, everybody is in total darkness.  The Aryan mythologies, as well as written ancient history, are full of lies, deceptions, mythologies, and alterations and usurpations.  




E.    Horse Breeding:

You said:

"Unique discoveries revealed as a result of excavations at Shengavit
(4000-3000 B.C.) confirm that Armenia is the motherland of metallurgy,
jeweler’s art, wine-making and horse breeding..."

Polat Kaya:    As for your reference of 
"Armenia being the motherland of horse breeding...", I again say YES - but not in the way that you imply.  Of course, so-called "Armenia", located on the eastern Anatolian and Caucasian land-mass, was a "motherland of horse-breeding" because these lands were the homelands of the "horse breeding" Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples who domesticated the "horse" and gave it the name "AT".  Horse breeding was one of the top cultures of the ancient Turkish peoples in addition to sheep and cattle breeding.  They had the "horse" culture and the "horse riding armies" that no one else had. They were so skillful horse riders that, while riding on a galloping horse, they could turn backwards and shoot an arrow to an oncoming enemy. Even  Aryan Europeans referred to them as people who were born on the back of horse and died on the back of horse.  So the Turanian man and his horse were inseparable.

Ancient Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples spread horse-breeding not only to the so-called "Armenia" but also to the world - starting from the Central Asian steppes.  The world has denied all this by spreading disinformation about the ancient Turanian civilization.  

Please see, for example, the Western made movie so-called "Trojan Wars" based on Homer's epic story of "ILIAD", where you will see how magnificently the Turanian TROY (TUR-ÖY) peoples ride their countless horses. Incidently, the word "TROY" is the altered form of the Turkish  expression 
"TUR ÖY" meaning "house of Turs" indicating that they were the Horse Riding Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples. Please see my paper at link

Further to all this on the "horse-breeding Turks", let me also tell you the following which is very relevant to this subject. 

Romans, of the so-called "Roman Empire", in the first millennium B. C. used the term EQUESTRIAN ORDER to call their cavalry soldiers in the Roman army.  The English term EQUESTRIAN is defined as "of or relating to horse riding; depicting or representing a person on horseback; a rider or performer on horseback.  ORIGIN mid 17th cent.: from Latin equester ‘belonging to a horseman’ (from eques ‘horseman, knight,’ from equus ‘horse’ ) + -ian ." [Oxford American Dictionaries]. 

Furthermore we have the following information from Wikipedia at link

"The Roman equestrian order (Latin: ordo equester) constituted the lower of the two aristocratic classes of ancient Rome, ranking below the patricianspatricii), a hereditary caste that monopolised political power during the regal era (to 501 BC) and during the early Republic (to 338 BC). A member of the equestrian order was known as an eques (plural: equites). Equites in Latin has the general meaning of "horsemen" or "cavalry" (from equus = "horse"), but in this context carries the specific meaning of "knights" in the sense of members of an aristocratic group. To avoid confusion, this articles refers to the latter as "knights" or "equestrians"."

Polat Kaya:    First of all, the Latin term "equus" meaning "horse" is an artificially made up word having its meaning taken from the Turkish word AT meaning "horse". 

The English term  EQUESTRIAN, rearranged letter-by-letter as "ATIN ESQERU", is from Turkish expression  
"ATIN ASKERÜ"(ATIN ESQERI) meaning "the soldier of horse, soldier with horse, horse soldier; cavalry" 

Turkish word 
AT means "horse" ATIN means "of horse",  ASKER (ESKER) means "soldier, warrior".

The English term  CAVALRY rearranged as "CAVARY-L", is from Turkish expression  
"SÜVARI" meaning "cavalry".  Interestingly, the C in CAVALRY is intentionally voiced as a K rather than an S - as in the case of English word CIRCUS which is voiced as "SIRKUS" where C is both S and K at the same time.

Now let us understand the Roman term "ORDO EQUESTER".  The supposedly Roman name "ORDO" is nothing but the Turkish word "ORDU" meaning "army".  So, this Turkish word has been taken from Turkish without any linguist acknowledging its Turkishness!  Similarly, the English term ORDER in the term EQUESTRIAN ORDER is also from Turkish word ORDU which is the name of the most respected Turkish organization with the utmost organization and orderliness coming from the ancient times, based on units numbered 10, 100, 1000 and 10,000.

The Latin term "EQUESTER", rearranged as  "ET-ESQER-U", is also from from Turkish expression  
"AT ASQERÜ" or "AT ASKERI O" meaning "horse soldier" or "it is the horse (riding) soldiers", "it is cavalry". 

Alternatively, this Latin term "EQUESTER" can be deciphered as "SUERETE-Q" where we can see that it is the altered form of the Turkish expression  
"SUVARI'DI O" meaning "it is the cavalry". 

Turkish word 
AT means "horse", ESKER (ASKER) means "soldier, warrior",   ORDU means "Army", SUVARI means "cavalry, horse riding soldier". 

Thus, with all this, I clearly showed that the "horse" meaning attributed to the so-called  Latin term "equus" is actually from the Turkish word 
AT.  The term "equus" is just the cut off front end of the fabricated word "EQUESTER" stolen from Turkish expression "AT ASQERI O".  This also shows that the Roman army concept was copied from, and based on, the ancient Turanian Turkish ORDU concept.  Of course, this fact has been denied all throughout the history!

In the light of all this, I must also point out that, while the Turanian Turkish land of so-called ancient "ARMENIA" had indications of "horse-breeding" activities as found by your reference source, it was not due to the presence of HAYK people in that area, but rather due to the presence of the very ancient Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples.  They were the people who domesticated the "horse" and originally coined the Turkish name AT for it.   

>From all this you can see how the Roman, Greeks and other Aryans, including the HAYK, stole the Turkish words and phrases and concepts - and made concocted words for themselves.  Of course in the process of this stealing and obliterating, they also altered all of the toponyms of ancient "Europe", Anatolia, Caucasus, Iran, Hindustan, Central Asia and every other place that was Turanian then.  I am sure that all of this, the scholars did not know. 



F.    About the word  "Anthropological":

You said:

"Professor Rothman added:
For his part, Mitchell S. Rothman, a Professor of Anthropology and
Archaeology and founder of the Anthropology Department at Widener
University in Chester, Pennsylvania, said that all the discoveries
prove that around 6,000 years ago the culture of Shengavit has spread
over the ancient world. “All that was known in Mesopotamia came from
Armenia. Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaics of the
ancient world’s civilizations construction. Shengavit has supplemented
the lacking chains, that we had been facing while studying the ancient
culture of Mesopotamia,” concluded Rothman." 
Polat Kaya: In my above response, I noted and explained that the so-called Shengavit (Günesh-Evi) culture was nothing but the ancient Turanian culture and not that of the HAYK so-called "Armenian" culture. Most likely, Prof. Mitchelle S. Rothman did not know what I explained above. Similarly, the Mesopotamian culture was also that of the Turko-Sumerian culture which was again a Turanian culture contrary to "scholarly" disinformation. The "Anatolian" culture and the so-called "Mesopotamian" culture were next to each other and both were Turanian and therefore they were one and the same as part of a wider Turkish world. You said that Prof. Rothman was an "anthropologist". I want to discuss this term so that we can all understand its true nature. 
The impressive looking term "anthropology" is defined as "the study of humankind, in particular,(also cultural or social anthropology) the comparative study of human societies and cultures and their development; and (also physical anthropology) the science of human zoology, evolution, and ecology."
In this context, let us take the Greek term ANTHRWPOLOGIKOS, meaning "anthropological", - where the bogus letter W can represent any one of UU, VV, YY, UV, UY, VY as required in the art of "anagrammatizing" IE words from Turkish. The Greek term ANTHRWPOLOGIKOS, rearranged letter-by-letter as "TURKN-APO-SOI-OGULH", where Greek letter H is H, I, or E as required by the Greek anagrammatizer, is the restructured form of the Turkish expression "TURK'ÜN APA-SOY OKULU" meaning "Turk's school for the lineage of forefathers (ancestors)".  This is exactly the meaning of the so-called "anthropology" defined above and is a big eye opener. As can be seen, a whole Turkish sentence has been stolen in order to make one Greek word ANTHRWPOLOGIKOS. With this kind of a quick handy-work of confusion, this restructured Turkish expression has been sold to the world as a word of Aryan "Greek" and/or "Indo-European" languages. What a shame! Many "scholars" use this title without knowing its true Turkish source. The Turkish linguistic source data used in manufacturing this Greek word consists of the following words: 
TURK means "Turk, Tur, Oguz, Tatar, Saka, so-called Trojan, Trachian, Etrurian (Etrusc), Sumerian, ancient "Egypt", that is, ancient Turanian Masar (Misir) peoples and many more"  
TURK'ÜN means "of Turk, Turk's"
APA means "father; forefathers, ancestor"
SOY means "family, family tree, race, lineage", APA-SOY means "family race, ancestor's lineage"
OKUL means "school", and
OKULU means "the school".  Here I should also note that the English term "SCHOOL" , rearranged as "S-OCHOL", is also from Turkish "AS OKUL" (BIR OKUL) meaning "one school". Any school is "one school"!
This recovery from this so-called "Greek" word "ANTHRWPOLOGIKOS" meaning "anthropological" is also enlightening in other respects:  a)    It tells us that in ancient Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz civilization, there were Turkish speaking school systems where studies of the ancestors of man, their race, family lineage, etc. were made as the definition of the word  "anthropological" indicates.  b)    The very fact that the name TURK is embedded in it is a testimony that the concept was originated by the Turks and taught in their schools.  Greeks simply usurped it from Turks hoping that it would never be discovered. It has been discovered now! In view of all these findings, you will see that you and the "learned world" have been ignoring a lot of facts that have never been told before. For that reason alone, I would say that a bunch of religious monks have intentionally placed the world into real darkness regarding the ancient Turanian civilization! 


G.   Finally, About the bogus Armenian claim of a "genocide of Armenians by Turks":

You said:

 <> So there you have it,
everything is from Armenia, not Turkey--and wasn't it the Turks who tried to
carry out genocide against Armenians... Do correct me if I'm wrong. (sorry
for giant font, can't figure out how to reduce it)

Polat Kaya:  Dear lady, you have made a rash conclusion without any basis and you seem to be arrogantly proud of it. 

Up to this point I have clearly shown you, and everyone else, how an intentionally "DISTORTED" ancient world picture - based on lies, deception, cheating and stealing, has been presented to us. And because of that, we are all living in a very upside-down world. We have all been conned like children by a bunch of ancient "religious" men who manipulated the world like puppets on strings. With all of my many explanations, I hope you have seen the truth now. Interestingly, the ancient Spartan Greeks had a culture totally based on stealing from others but making sure that they do not get caught.  Those who got caught would be severely punished - not because they stole - but for getting caught!  It seems that this was a very widely practiced culture by many other brethren groups. 

Now, let me come to your pointed comment: 
"--and wasn't it the Turks who tried to carry out genocide against Armenians... Do correct me if I'm wrong." 

All throughout this lengthy paper, I did correct you over and over again because you were wrong on all of your claims. In this context, I will also correct you.  I must point out to you and to all that the claim of "genocide of Armenians by Turks" is one such "Spartan" like bogus and manufactured claim - about which you and others have no insight whatsoever.  

This Armenian accusation is designed to steal Turkish lands by using a bogus claim. 
Turning the tables around and accusing the victimized Turks of wrongdoings is an ACCUSE-THE-VICTIM propaganda trick used by those who planned and perpetrated these events themselves. Armenian vilification of the victimized Turks is a cunning way for the Armenians to avoid being accused of the crimes that they themselves committed against the Turks. 

By all accounts, the whole claim is a fabrication that amounts to mud-throwing against the Turks. It is an accusation and vilification campaign by the Haik groups and their friends - thinking and hoping that when they throw mud, even if it does not stick to the Turks, it will at least leave behind a stain on them.  Thus, in this regard it seems that you have also been reading a lot of orchestrated media reports against the Turks by means of which you are also conditioned.  

The truth is that groups of armed and rebellious Haik citizens of the Ottoman Empire, so-called "Armenians", collaborated with the invading forces of Russia, England, France and others, and attacked not only the Turkish army but also the Turkish citizens in the eastern provinces - with the hope that, in the process of killing the Ottoman Empire, they would also get the eastern part of Ottoman Anatolia as their country - as promised to them by external forces. For that purpose, these Haik terrorists were collaborating with the invading forces.  Haik terrorists and Haik soldiers, working with the invading Russian and French armies, and others, started the bloody hostilities by killing innocent Turks in huge numbers.   In actuality, it was these Haik terrorists and soldiers that committed genocide against the Turks.  In view of this rebellion by the Haik citizens of the Ottoman Empire against the Ottoman state, the Ottomans removed the Haik people in eastern Anatolia and transferred them away from the fighting zone in the east to the southern parts of the Empire.  The transfer of Haik people, that is, the so-called "Armenians", from the eastern provinces to the southern provinces was not an act of genocide by the Ottoman state - as wrongly claimed.  The Ottoman state, while defending itself against the invading external forces, also had to defend itself from the treacherous and murderous Armenian terrorists as any other state would have done.  While the Armenian terrorists themselves were killing the Turks in the country, they and their supporters also operated their propaganda machine by falsely crying out and claiming that the "Armenians" were being killed by the Turks. 

Now, let me add a personal note: I am a senior citizen and my roots are from eastern Turkey, from the area which neighbors the area that is presently called "Armenia". I am also the grandchild of a family whose male members were massacred by the Armenian terrorists of this country, in one night. 

As my mother used to tell us, my family from my mother's side experienced the ever horrifying attack of the Armenian terrorists.  One night, my grandfather from my mother's side, his three brothers and also sixty five other men of the same village were taken away forcefully from their homes and massacred in the middle of the night by the Armenian terrorists. Thus at a very young age, my mother was left an orphan and my grandmother was left helpless with three young children and without her loved ones. That horrifying event was embedded forever in the mind of my mother.

The Armenian terrorists did their well-planned and well-executed killings of Turks not only in my mother's village, but also in many many other Turkish villages in Eastern Anatolia, Azerbaijan and in other areas where there were Turks. Many other atrocities committed against Turkish people in Turkish villages, as described by Turkish elders who witnessed those events in their childhood, have been recorded and published.  You and the world seem to know nothing about such events.  Somehow such atrocities committed against Turks by the Armenian terrorists are neither talked about nor written about.

If you are truthfully interested in knowing the facts on this matter, you will be well advised to read an account of how the First Armenian Prime Minister HOVHANNES KATCHAZNOUI admitted in his address to a conference how they sided with aggressor states and declared war on the Ottoman State with the ambition of dismembering the Ottoman Empire for the benefit of the Armenians. Here is that link for you:  



Here I end my response to your e-mail. It was long but it had to be done this way. Evidently, you and countless other people have no idea about the ancient Turanian Turk/Turk/Oguz peoples and their civilization that spread all over the world. That ancient Turanian civilization and the people who created it were obliterated by the all powerful religious groups using devious ways and means. They put ancient world history into total darkness.

With best wishes to you and to all,

Polat Kaya



Joan Griffith wrote:

Further to this, thanks to Antonio Lomco on ANE2 yahoo list:
Unique discoveries revealed as a result of excavations at Shengavit
(4000-3000 B.C.) confirm that Armenia is the motherland of metallurgy,
jeweler’s art, wine-making and horse breeding...
Professor Rothman added:
For his part, Mitchell S. Rothman, a Professor of Anthropology and
Archaeology and founder of the Anthropology Department at Widener
University in Chester, Pennsylvania, said that all the discoveries
prove that around 6,000 years ago the culture of Shengavit has spread
over the ancient world. “All that was known in Mesopotamia came from
Armenia. Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaics of the
ancient world’s civilizations construction. Shengavit has supplemented
the lacking chains, that we had been facing while studying the ancient
culture of Mesopotamia,” concluded Rothman.
The full article can be found here:
<>So there you have it,
everything is from Armenia, not Turkey--and wasn't it the Turks who tried to
carry out genocide against Armenians... Do correct me if I'm wrong. (sorry
for giant font, can't figure out how to reduce it)
I've had a hard life, but my hardships are nothing against the hardships
that my mother went through in order to get me to where I started.~
Bertrand Hubbard
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Gangchen Gonpo <ganggon@...> wrote:
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