--- In b_c_n_2003@yahoogroups.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@C...> wrote:



In this essay I like to bring to surface some less known and less
talked about information regarding the ancient Greeks. It is
important because it sheds light on some aspects of the ancient

G. S. Kirk [1], Emeritus Professor of Greek at Cambridge, in his book
entitled, "The Nature of Greek Myths" writes:

"That Greek myths were infected by Near-Eastern themes is of
exceptional importance in itself. That is so not only because it
casts a faint glimmer of light on the development of Greek culture and
ideas in their formative stage, but also because it makes it easier to
isolate the specifically Hellenic contribution, the particular
intellectual and imaginative ingredients that made Greek civilization
such a very different phenomenon from those of western Asia and Egypt.
We are, of course, dealing here with possibilities that are little
understood, and in addition present serious problems of ethnic and
cultural definition, The very term "Greek" is full of ambiguity.
'Greek', like 'Akkadian', denotes a language rather than a people.
The Greek-speaking people began to enter the Greek peninsula shortly
before 2000 B.C, but they found there an indigeneous population that
already that had cultural and perhaps and linguistic connections with
Asia Minor. The names of prominent geographiacal features like Mount
OLYMPUS, or the sea itself, THALASSA, of settlement-sites like
KORINTHOS, LINDOS or MUKENAI (Mucenae), of vegetation like KUPRESSOS
(cypress) and HUAKINTHOS (hyacinth), have close west-Asiatic
parallels, and are definetely not Greek in type and origin. They
were taken over by the Greek-speaking immigrants, together with heaven
knows what else in the shape of myths, deities, cults and rituals.
The somewaht separate culture of Early Bronze Age Crete complicates
the issue, and so do the Greek speakers themselves - where they come
from, proximately and ultimately? Presumably, by the THALASSA
criterion, not from near the sea, otherwise they would not have needed
to borrow a word for it. At present it looks more probable than not
that they came from somewhere far to the north east of Greece, and
moved down into the peninsula partly through Asia Minor and across the
Aegean and partly through the eastern Balkan area. If so, they may
have brought with them further west-Asiatic ideas, as well as older
Indo-Iranian ones such as that of the sky god ZEUS."


1. Evidently, ancient Greeks were not native peoples of the geography
known as "Greece" or any other place. They were the "wanderers"
(gypsies, Roums/Rums, Romans) going from place to place, but having no
place of their own, nor a language of their own. They took most of
their culture and language from the ancient Turanian natives of
ancient Greece (Yunanistan) called Pelasgians (Turkic Saka people).

very meaningful.

How can one have a language without having people to speak it? If
ancient Greeks and Akkadians were not "people" (nation), then how
did they come up with a language that they called their own? Could
it be that they somehow concocted a language from an already
existing universal language?

Evidently, these peoples had neither nationality nor a place of their
own; and hence, had no language of their own. They were wanderers
going from place to place and getting by with a broken language (note
the similarity between the name "Greek" and the Turkic phrase "GIRIK")
that they made up as they travelled. There was, for their use, a
readily available ancient Turanian language which was spoken by the
ancient Turanian peoples spread over a wast geography of the world at
those ancient times. Turanians were the Turkic speaking peoples who
"antedated the Aryans in Europe and Asia" [2]. Note that even the
term "Aryan" has relation with Turkic word "ariyan" meaning
"wanderer". Those Akkadian and Greek wanderers utilized the ancient
Turkish language as spoken by Sumerians and Masarians to
manufacture new languages for themselves, that is, by anagrammatizing
the words and expressions of ancient Turkish to come up with new words
for languages that they call their own.

The universal Turkic language was spoken by all the ancient Turanic
peoples such as Pelasgians, Aegeans (from Turkic "Ay-Gün", "Ay-Günes",
"Ay-Han-Gün-Han"), Sumerians, Masarians/Misirians (incorrectly called
Egyptian which refers to Gypsies), Anatolians, Hurrians, Medeans and
many others.

3. Turanians were people who lived in Asia and Europe far earlier
than the so-called Indo-Europeans who moved in most likely from the
Indian sub-continent like the other wanderers.

4. The name GRAECIA for ancient Greece (from Turkic word "Garaci"
(gezginciler) meaning "House of wanderers", also has another hidden
meaning which is from the Turkic phrase "Gara Ayci" indicating that
they worshipped the "black moon" and also the "black night sky". Their
one time god, named CRONUS (Kronus), is an anagrammatization of Turkic
"KARA HAN US" or "KARA HAN" meaning "Black Lord Wise" or "Black Lord"
respectively. This is an evidence of the origin of their religious
identity. "AK HAN" (White Lord) and "KARA HAN" (Black Lord) concepts
come from the ancient Turanian Sky-God duality concept (Yin Yang is
also modelled after this). In religious terms, this means that the
ancient Greeks, by accepting the black aspect of the ancient Turanian
Sky God (i.e., "Kara Han"), polarized themselves against the Ak-Hans.
This is true for some other groups as well.

5. The name of the AEGEAN SEA area:

AEGEAN : This name is defined as "of or pertaining to the Aegian
islands or the Aegian sea: specifically, of or pertaining to the
ancient civilization of this region" [3].

This statement from the reference dictionary indicates that there were
Turanian peoples who called themselves "AY-GÜN" that inhabited the
so-called AEGEAN Sea area far before the Greeks arrived there. The
name of the AEGEAN Sea carries their name. It has nothing to do with
the "Greeks" as wrongly portrayed and perpetrated. These much more
ancient peoples were the Turkic Ay-Gün peoples who believed in the
ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God religion centered on the concept of
"One-Father-God, Sun-God and Moon-God" (Turkic Bir-ATA-Tengri,
Gün-Tengri ve Ay-Tengri). Their names are after Ay-Han and Gün-Han in
the Turkic OGUZ KAGAN epic.

Ancient Turkic people gave their names to the lands that they
inhabited just like people give their names to their business
presently. The ancient Turkic word for their land, home and house was
ÖY, ÜY, OY, AY and similarly with Y/V change, ÖV, ÜV, OV, AV, EVI.
These Turkic words have been Hellenized as OI, UI, IA and in Latin
suffix "IUM" from Turkish "ÖYÜM" meaning my home". Other Turkic
words for "land" were "IL" and "ALAN". The English word LAND is
anagrammatized from Turkish "iLINDi" and/or "aLANDi" meaning
"it is your country, your land, your field".

6. Referring to the words that G. S. Kirk mentions, he states: "THEY

The meaning of this statement is that those ancient Greeks took not
only words but also took the ancient MYTHS, DEITIES, CULTS AND
RITUALS of the Turkic speaking natives of ancient Yunanistan.
Additionally, they also took many of the phrases of the ancient Turkic
LANGUAGE and manufactured a "fully-developed-language" called Greek by
breaking and reshaping the Turkic words and phrases. Thus it becomes
clear that these ancient wanderers had no culture of their own to
offer. They took most everything from the native Turanians of that
time. Amongst what they took was also the wall making techniques and
architecture of the ancient Turanians - known as the Pelasgian walls
which were just like the ancient large-stone walls in Malta, the
large-stone Inca walls and the Mycaenian walls. This is contrary to
the misinformation perpetrated so far that Turs/Turks were only nomads
and did not know anything but YURT making. This kind of "information"
is nothing but disinformation and propaganda. (Note even the word
"propaganda" is itself an anagrammatization of the Turkish phrase
"GANDARUP" ("gandirip"/"kandirip") meaning "fooled into believing".

It is worth mentioning here that Lionel Casson writes the following
about the ancient Greeks [4]: "Neither gold or silver nor anything
at all precious was to be found in the baggage of the Greeks when they
made their first appareance in history. They arrived in the peninsula
that was forever after to be their home some time about 2200 or 2000
B.C., as immigrants from southern Rusia or even farther east. Their
villages were collections of dwellings, mud brick huts with the barest
of furnishings. They buried dead in mere shallow pits with either no
gifts to help them in the next world or but a few objects of clay."

Evidently they had noting to offer to the native Pelasgians.

7. The term THALASSA meaning "sea" in Greek is nothing but an
anagrammatized form of the Turkic phrase "DOLU SU" meaning "plenty of
water" (endless water) which, of course, is what a sea is.

8. OLYMPUS: The Mount OLYMPUS, a mountain in Macedonia, was supposed
to be the mythical abode of the Greek gods or god-like beings. In
terms of Gods, the name OLYMPUS is related to the Turkic phrases
"OLUM-aPa-US" meaning "Creator wise father" and "ÖLÜM aPa US" meaning
"Dead wise Father". Additionally, the "US" or "OS" suffix is Turkish
"OGUZ" - the anciant Turkic Sky-God. From the Greek mythology
associated with the Mount Olympus and its inhabitants, it is seen that
indeed Gods associated with the creation of universe and the dead ones
were portrayed as living on Mount OLYMPUS. It should also be noted
here that in modern times, OGUZ appears in the modern fictional story
"The Wizard of OZ".

9. In Turkic mythology, mountains are sacred. This is evidenced by
the fact that the Turkish name for mountain is TA or TAU (Dagh) which
is homonym with ATA - the Turkic name of the Sky-Father God (Gök ATA
Tanri). An example of a mountain carrying the name TAU is KRAKATAU
(KRAKATOA) located in the Strait of Sunda, between Java and Sumatra,
Malay Archipelago. This is actually a volcano whose name can be taken
as Turkic "KOR-AKUTA" meaning "Fire-Flowing" (Lava-Flowing).
Alternatively, the name could also be taken as Turkic "KOR-AKA-ATA"
meaning "Fire-Lord-Father" referring to the Sky-God (Sun).
Alternatively, the name could be taken as Turkic "KOR-AKA-TA" meaning
"Lord-Fire-Mountain" or "Great-Fire-Mountain". Of course in Turan
(Central Asia), there is a whole set of majestic mountains called the
Tengri Daglari - meaning "Mountains of God". In Turkic mythology,
mountain tops were closest to the Sky-Father God (ATA). For that
reason the ancient Tur peoples would hold their annual ceremonies at
the top of high mountains where they would sacrifice valuable animals
to God. Celebrations could go on for days. Even where they did not
have mountains, such as in Mesopotamia and ancient Masar (Egypt), the
ancient Turanians would build ziggurats and pyramids to emulate the
mountains. The Eastern Turkistan pyramids and conical cemeterial
structures built for their ancestors are evidences of this too.

10. KORINTHOS is the name of a city and the name of a water body
which is a part of the Ionian Sea penetrating inland. The name
KORINTHOS has two possible meanings. The first can be defined by
KORINTH-OS from Turkic phrase " KIRINTI-SU" (Girinti su) meaning "it
is water recessed into land" referring to an arm of the IONIAN Sea
that extends eastwards and is presently known as "Corinthian Gulf".
The second possible can be defined as "KOR-INTH-OS" from Turkic phrase
"KOR HaNTI OS" (Kor Handi Oguz) meaning "Sun God OS (OGUS) was Lord
Fire". This again refers to the name of the Sun-God that the ancient
Turanians believed in. This name is also given to a city (presently
Corinth) in ancient YUNANISTAN (Greece).

11. We should also note that the name IONIAN refers to the Turkic
phrase "AY-HAN Öyan (öylüler)" meaning the "House of AY-HANS" That
is why Turks call ancient "Greece" by the name "YUNANISTAN"
(Ay-Hanistan) rather than "Greece". ION is the anagrammatized form of
AY-HAN. The suffix -IAN is an anagrammatized form of "ÖY + AN" where
ÖY > IA meaning "house" and suffix -AN is the ancient Turkish
plurality suffix. Thus, Turkic "ÖYAN" (öyler) meaning "houses" has
been changed into the "-IAN" suffix that appears at the end of many

Thus neither the name KORINTHOS nor the name ION are Greek in origin.
They are names formed from Turkic words or phrases. Even the
so-called Greek name IO is actually from Turkish "AY-O" phrase meaning
"it is the moon" which is the ancient Turkic Moon-God (Ay-Tengri,
Ay-Han). It must particularly be noted that English 1st person
singular personal pronoun "I" (pronounced as "ay")" is nothing but the
Turkish name "AY" for the moon - indicating that they also believed in
the ancient Moon-God (Ay-Han). This information has been suppressed.

12. MUKENAI (Mucenae or Mycenae) is another place name in ancient
Yunanistan. It is from the Turkic phrase "MA KUN AI" meaning
"magnificent Sun and Moon" which is in line with the ancient Turanian
culture of naming the cities and geagraphical points of importance
after the name of the trinity sky-God Gök-Tengri. Since ancient
Yunanistan was the land of the native Turanian Ay-Hans (Ionians), they
named the country side in the ancient Turkic tradition. Ay-Hans
(IONS) were also known to be Pelasgian peoples, that is, the native
peoples of the land. Famed Homer in his Odysseus epic story describes
Plesgians as NOBLE PELASGIANS. Athens (ATINA) is an Ion (Ay-Han) city
rather than a Greek city and is intentionally portrayed as a Greek
city. Similarly, the system of "democracy" is a concept of Ionians
(Ay-Hans) rather than the so-called "Greeks". This is again a
misrepresentation of history. Many learned Greeks of present times
admit that the population of Greece is sixty percent Turkic. This
majority could not be left over from the Ottoman Turks, but rather
from much earlier times.

When the opportunity arose, the ancient Ionians (Ay-Hans, Pelasgians)
of Yunanistan were forcefully and deceptively Hellenized. Hence,
everything was Hellenized by changing the names. Even the name HELLEN
comes from Turkic "ELLI AN" (yelli an) meaning "Windy Sky" or "Wind
Believers" which was another description of the ancient Sumerian
wind-god ENLIL. In ancient Turkic culture, God's name was hidden
behind the daily usage-meanings of the words. All these ancient
Turanian names have been anagrammatized in order to make them
unrecognizable so that they could be claimed by the name-changers as
their own words as if they were developed independently of the Turkic
world. This was a deliberate act of obliterating the ancient Turkic
civilization. This kind of obliteration activity was done by the
ancient Greek, Latin and Semitic groups whenever they had the
opportunity - including modern times.

13. The term KUPRESSOS (cypress) (in present Turkish "selvi" agaci).
This slender tall tree is known to be the tree of the cemeteries. The
latin word CUPRESSUS is the name of this tree. The dictionary also
defines this Latin word as "the casket made from cypress tree", i.e.,
Turkish "tabut, kutu". Let us analyze the etymology of this word:
KUPRESSOS < "KUP-RESS-OS", in which CUP is from Turkic "KAP" (kap,
agzi kapali veya açik kap, kutu) meaning "a container, a box with or
without a cover"; and RESS" must be from Turkish "RESIS" (reysis,
isiksiz, karanlik) meaning "without sunlight". From the Latin
description of the name it is clear that this tree was used for making
"caskets" (tabuts, isiksiz kutu) in ancient times. Thus the name
"cypress" of this tree ("KUP-RESS-OS") must be from an ancient Turkic
expression that meant "'tree of lightless box'", that is, the tree
that "caskets" were made from.


[1] G. S. Kirk, "The nature of Greek Myths", Penguin Books, 1974, p.
267. Following is written in side page of his book about the author:
"G. S. Kirk is Emeritus Professor of Greek at Cambridge and a Fellow
of Trinity College; and was previously a professor at yale, Bristol
and Cambridge.", p. 267.

[2] Encyclopaedia Britannica World Languages Dictionary, 1963,
Vol.2, p. 1353.

[3] Encyclopaedia Britannica World Languages Dictionary, 1963,
Vol.1, p. 22.

[4] Lionel Casson, "Treasures of the World: The Greek Conguerors",
p. 13.

Polat Kaya